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I think they are sinking.

I still think the Total War: Warhammer... was meant to sell way more than it did, and likely the licensing fees and conditions might have... hurt them.

Quote from: ArchAIngel on July 05, 2017, 11:42:46 am

Quote from: Teneb on July 05, 2017, 11:41:16 am

Quote from: ArchAIngel on July 05, 2017, 11:26:27 am

You know, thinking about the extra faction bits from the preorder, with the Vortex of Magic being a primary thing for TW2, could the new units be Daemons?


It'd flesh out the Chaos roster quite a lot.

CA already said that the pre-order bonus will be a faction for the first game that is already in the Old World map. They also said it is not Kislev, nor is it a subfaction of one of the current ones. So either one of the Southern Realms or Norsca.

Norscan roster's a subset of Chaos anyways, y'know?

Yes, but it is certainly not Daemons or for the second game, which is what I wanted to clear up.

There's four ways to fix the unjust / harsh thing:

1. Always release prisoners until your lords receive the kind trait. Then they'll never get unjust or harsh (theoretically).

2. Quicksave before every battle and replay it if you get the traits at the end.

3. Mod them out.

4. Go into the creation kit and change the proc chance from them to infinity or something.

Quote from: ArchAIngel on July 03, 2017, 05:57:54 pm

Now that's done, a question: How play Chaos on the field? I'm thinking lots and lots of Chosen, basically just them, some Dragon Ogres for linebreaking, and a pair of Hellcannons as arty.

Hellcannons are tied with the Doomdiver for best artillery in the game. So you want that. Excepting trolls, you usually just want one type of monster to break lines. Manticore is a good pick if your enemy is not good against air (see next paragraph). Chosen are your core, but in multiplayer you won't have enough points to pick them and anything else, so you want to use Warriors of Chaos too. Marauder horsemen you may want depending on who you go against, since they are your only ranged option. Skip foot marauders hard. Just do it. Warhounds are actually great, especially since they can outrun horse archers.

When it comes to heroes, you probably want a death or shadow Sorcerer. I feel that the Exalted Hero just isn't worth it, though. The default Chaos Lord is fine, while the Sorcerer Lord is just too vulnerable to lord sniping. Absolutely never put your lords on flying mounts if you are going against either someone who is missile heavy (Wood Elves, some Empire and Dwarf comps) or has aerial superiority (Vampires). As for LLs: Archaon is your safe pick. He can get a horse, he has magic so you can free up a slot, and has a bunch of items. Kholek can absolutely wreck lines, but he is very vulnerable to ranged and anti-large. Sigvald suffers against monster and cavalry because he's stuck on foot forever and will keep being thrown around, but he has high leadership, meaning he can keep low-leadership troops like trolls in the fight more reliably. Sarthorael (mp/custom battle only) is pretty beefy AND can cast magic. But he has two problems: 1) He's huge. He is absolutely huge and that means siege has a better chance at hitting him. 2) He is stuck with Lore of Metal. Unless you're running mods like Cataph's magic rebalance, this is a bad, bad thing.

Speaking of mods, thanks to testing and some searching on the internet I found out that the arbitrary limit before it crashes is around 70 mods. So have fun, folks. (NOT an absolute number, though. I can somehow run 80 of them sometimes)

Don't forget unless you mod it, RoR units don't benefit from your tech or lord bonuses so you can very easily end up with regular troops being stronger than them. So I would say I would grab quarrelers or standard rangers before I grabbed Bugman's. That being said, I would totally get the axe throwing rangers before either of those. Those things are so scary.

I kinda treat most RoR units as just emergency troops anyway. There are only a few that are actually fearsome.

Like, for the Dwarfs, the only ones I actually take note of are the steam Irondrakes, the RoR Hammerers, and the super Gyrobomber. The rest are just... meh.

They're good for MP since they're cost effective there, but in campaign you usually end up with stronger regular infantry.