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This must be it, thank y'all!

I have edited the Moods wiki to surface this info.

Thank you both. No luck with either caverns or dug-out ponds. Well, I guess I must count on FBs or dwarves not wanting shell...

Thanks! 'v' indeed does the trick.

Artificial ponds are considered to be the same as Murky Pools - you'll only catch pond fish from them (i.e. turtles). If you want to catch river fish, you must fish from the river's original tiles (or perform some DFHack trickery to mark your new tiles as being part of the river).

Indeed, I seem to only get pond turtles from these tiles even though salmons and brook lampreys do appear in them. This is strangely dorfy

It has to be at water tiles that occur naturally.

Well, crap. Indeed, I channeled a single surface tile next to the river and it's unavailable. Looks like a good feature request to me. The fish *are* already there, so...

Edit: Hmm, I left the zone even though it was Fishing(0) and dorfs *do* fish there. Wonder if they catch anything

I'm getting lots of "<dorf> cancels Make steel bars: Job item lost or destroyed" messages.

Could this be two furnace operators competing for the same resources? I thought this should not happen, especially that I have >10 units of iron, pig iron, flux & coke.

Solved: Ok, probably bug 8641, updating to 0.40.23 seems to have helped.

That's a good way of putting it, although it would be easier to visualise if the tracks were said to go from the centre of a tile to the centre of the next tile, and so on, until the last tile you designate. The important thing is, when you carve a track onto a tile, you need to tell it the entry/exit directions. The way you do that is by extending the designation across the N, E, S, or W boundary of the tile -- it isn't like a roller or other building, where you first place it and then tell it which way it should be pointing.

Or you could imagine a grid on a flat board, with nails sticking up from the centre of each square, and you have a whole lot of small rubber bands just big enough to stretch between two orthogonally adjacent nails. You want to make a line that crosses the grid. To do this, you need to take each rubber band and stretch it across two squares of the grid. You can't just put the rubber band over the nail and leave it there.

I agree in principle. There is however an exception to that: when you carve a  ramp, the track only goes to the edge of the ramp and no further, unless of course the adjacent tile is a floor on the same level as the ramp.

It is important to know what tiles are.  A floor is a floor.  A wall is a wall.  An up ramp is a floor.  A down ramp is a hole in the ground.

You can't carve a hole in the ground or a wall.  What you carve are the floors.

I would also add: the tracks are carved in half-tiles that go from the tile center to one of tile's edges. This is a bit confusing since when you designate, you select whole tiles instead of halves.

When you designate 3 floor tiles in a straight E-W line, the resulting track will occupy 4 half-tiles: the leftmost designated tile will only have one half going from its center to the eastern edge, the middle tile will have two halves and the rightmost will have one half between its western edge and its center.

With ramps it comes with a twist - to have both halves of the ramp covered, you need to designate the neighboring tiles on the level on which the ramp is. This is also confusing, since these neighboring tiles might be walls or downward ramps which means that this designation will not result in any tracks carved on these tiles - you only need to include them as the clue to the carver so that both halves of the ramp will get carved.