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I had what might be a related problem.  Dwarves wouldn't haul barrels (empty or full) until I turned on "Item Hauling" -- try that.  I don't know if this will change with the bug fixes in the upcoming release.

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DF Bug Reports / Re: Issues with channels and flooding
« on: November 13, 2006, 02:50:00 am »
In the event of a flood, your Rock Throne can also be used as a flotation device.

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DF Suggestions / Re: Top 5 complaints
« on: September 27, 2006, 02:37:00 pm »
"Complained about the draft", it turns out, is a complaint about being being drafted.  It only happens when you activate a dwarf without weapon skills (a Recruit).

That one should probably be changed to read "complained about being drafted".  I believe "not having a proper room" is the complaint issued when they sleep in a bed which isn't resized to be completely enclosed by walls or doors.

[ September 27, 2006: Message edited by: Maximus ]


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DF Suggestions / Re: Build lists
« on: September 26, 2006, 11:46:00 pm »
Good point, the text is redundant in quite a few menus.  Objection retracted.

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DF Suggestions / Re: Build lists
« on: September 26, 2006, 12:09:00 pm »
Ooh, that looks very nice.  Although... the 1/3 screen menu I usually use doesn't enough space for the text sometimes, let alone icons.  If it were implemented, I'd hope it could be optionally turned off.

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DF Suggestions / Re: I don't care which damn stone you use
« on: September 26, 2006, 12:21:00 am »
Heheh.  Until this one gets fixed, there is at least a workaround: do some mining near the area where you're going to be building, then select the stones at the bottom of the list of available building materials.  Make sure you turn off other mining elsewhere before you get construction started.

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DF Suggestions / Re: Training with Glass Arrows/Bolts
« on: September 26, 2006, 12:52:00 am »
Yep, they're only buildable on the manager screen.

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DF Suggestions / Re: Limestone and Obsidian handling.
« on: December 29, 2006, 04:13:00 pm »
Looks like you can specify [STONE_LIGHT] but not limestone itself.  Magma men drop obsidian, but there's a special subtype for that (USE_SHARPSTONE).

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DF Suggestions / Re: Limestone and Obsidian handling.
« on: September 25, 2006, 04:49:00 am »
I don't know how much limestone needs to be conserved, considering how easy it is to find by the river.  Same thing for obsidian, unless you haven't tunneled to the magma yet.  

Once we get stockpile specialization, I'm sure we'll be able to dump specific rock types next to the craftsdwarf's workshop (and limestone by the smelters).  I just posted a bunch of thoughts on that subject in a different thread.

For the time being, you can keep them from stopping when they run out of one type by queueing up "make dark" and "make light", both set on repeat.


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This means that every stockpile would need to have its own bins, since every stockpile is potentially different in some small way.  And maybe that's not a bad thing, but I don't see a way around it if it's going to be customized beyond the bin types.

I think that's the right approach.  As it stands, I avoid building bins because they like to spontaneously become "bar/block" bins 300 squares away from my furnaces.  

I think the way to keep stockpiles from hogging up bins is to make it so that bins not on stockpiles get deallocated as storage.  If a bin is not on a stockpile, its items aren't either -- so they'd get moved to a stockpile.  Once the bin is empty again, it can be claimed by any stockpile.

This approach would also allow players to deliberately empty a bin, which would finally address the "masterpiece bins" trade issue.  It would work best if "stockpile resizing" were also implemented, as discussed earlier in this thread, to keep stockpiles from becoming piecemeal.

MeatBomb's suggestion of specifying how many bins a stockpile could use is probably too specific -- but I think it'd be useful for stockpiles to have a toggle: "use bins/barrels" or not.


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DF Suggestions / Re: Stockpile specialization overview -- feedback solicited
« on: September 27, 2006, 02:27:00 pm »
That would, however, keep you from being able to place your seed or fish barrel in appropriate places, which would interfere with food production in the first critical year.

Specialization is (or should be) optional, anyway: by default, new stockpiles should be set to "all subtypes/materials".  This is a difference from the current behavior of weapon racks.  If public storage of weapons in privately-owned racks is disabled in the code, then I imagine weapon racks could be changed to "all" by default as well.


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DF Suggestions / Re: Stockpile specialization overview -- feedback solicited
« on: September 26, 2006, 11:47:00 am »
Resizing stockpiles via 'q' or 't' was exactly what I had in mind, and I indeed agree that the diamond-shaped resizer used for room boundaries is too imprecise.  

If the stockpile code works by keeping track of a list of squares that belong to each stockpile, it ought to be possible to define (or resize) stockpiles of any shape, even non-contiguous.  I think the current drag-the-cursor designator works fine: while in the stockpile's Resize mode, there should be an 'a'dd to stockpile and 'x' unselect; any area selected while 'a'dding would just be added to that stockpile's list of "owned" squares.


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DF Suggestions / Re: Stockpile specialization overview -- feedback solicited
« on: September 26, 2006, 02:02:00 am »
Ah, good point, edible and inedible foods should be two primary categories.  I guess drink could be a third category, although I'm still leaning towards having it be its own stockpile.

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DF Suggestions / Re: Stockpile specialization overview -- feedback solicited
« on: September 25, 2006, 09:57:00 pm »
I definitely agree that stockpiles should be easy-and-painless.  That thought is behind most of the numerous suggestions I made: if the default grouping is tweaked well, that's a lot less work for the player.  Mud and Odd2k's idea of stockpile "presets" is also a good idea; on some level what I'm trying to do is figure out what inbuilt presets (groupings) would work best.

If the objection to weapon racks is that they have to be built instead of just designated, then I think that's not a problem here -- it's just their specialization code (allow/disallow) that we'd like to see added to the stockpiles.  Or is are there problems with that allow/disallow interface?

Merging stockpiles would certainly be nice.  You bring up some good points about the difficulty of achieving this, especially as stockpiles grow more specialized.  I think maybe the answer to that is not merging stockpiles, but directly expanding them, something like how rooms are expanded now.  (Although choosing the size/shape should continue to work like stockpiles do instead of that diamond-shaped room sizer).

For the time being, when I want a (single, not piecemeal) expanded stockpile, I clear the old ones and create a new one over them.  This does wipe out "take from" settings, although the "take from" behavior is still pretty unpredictable.  I expect stockpile specialization to greatly boost its usefulness (move all the limestone here; replenish the metalsmiths' drink barrel here).


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DF Suggestions / Re: Stockpile specialization overview -- feedback solicited
« on: September 25, 2006, 04:42:00 pm »
Even though the stockpile system could be completely de-specialized (instead of the cloth, stone, furniture, etc. groupings that exist now), as AlStar pointed out, you'd be confronted with a massive list.  Furthermore, the existing groupings are, for the most part, reasonable and functional.  "All food", "all wood", "all ore" are good default groupings that I usually don't feel the need to tweak.

It's just that some of the "basic types" of stockpiles aren't basic enough, so I did suggest changes where the groupings could be improved.  Bar/block is the biggest weirdo: it contains metal, stone, glass, fuel, and ash products.  Those are all materials I produce and process in separate locations.  So they ought to be split out into their own groups so we don't have to deselect everything but metal; everything but ash, potash, and pearlash; everthing but stone; etc., every time we want a bar or block stockpile.

"Just like armor stands" -- well, armor stands are already a rather specific grouping (a good and sensible one).  Armor stands serve as a good model because they are restricted to a very practical group of related objects.  If they were "armor and cheese stands" I think you'd agree that a little re-grouping would be in order.  I'm attempting to identify which existing groups have a stray bit of cheese in them.

Storage items (bin, barrel, etc.) still need some work in general, but I'm not pressing for those changes at this time.  I don't want them in my furniture stockpiles, however, because then food and bars start getting transported to the barrels and bins in my furniture stockpile.  Until players can control the placement and use of storage items better, I actually don't want any "storage item" stockpiles at all.  That way they'll only be hauled directly to whichever stockpile they actually get used in.

I actually did a survey of all the items in the game to create the above list of suggested stockpiles.  Nearly all objects in the game do group together pretty logically.  The "miscellaneous" stockpile was a catch-all, although there is still a high degree of commonality: with the exception of anvils, they are all point-defense or mechanism related.  Anvils have a completely unique use in the game -- I guess the most practial, if not logical, group for them is in the Bar stockpile.

It may seem like I'm proposing a terribly terribly complicated thing when "just make it like weapon racks" is in order.  I'm claiming that there are a few details that, if addressed, would make everything work very nicely -- like weapon racks.

Finally, I had some further thoughts about what I wrote about the "Mining" stockpile.  A "clear area" designation is really what's needed, but if "clear area" were added, that would finally make the Mining stockpile useful.  So I now think it should stay -- although rough gems should be added to it (if they aren't already) so as to cover all mining byproducts.

[ September 25, 2006: Message edited by: Maximus ]


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