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1 traitor for every 5 crew seems reasonable-ish.  I would rather 1 for every 7.5, but either way would be ok.  The 4 minimum is just absurd.  More traitors does make for more interesting rounds to a point, but if the shuttle is being called in the first minutes of the round, you know it's excessive.  If we average 45 minutes to 1 hour per round, I'd be happy.  2-3 hour rounds are too long. I have maybe 2-3 hours to play a day, so odds are that's not going to perfectly line up with the start of a round.  Although when I am an antag, the rounds tend to be noticably shorter  .

Quote from: miauw62 on April 26, 2013, 09:27:38 am

The one time I got converted the only person that appeared to give a non-zero amount of fucks was the mime who converted me, which obviously isn't the best of companions.

What is that supposed to mean?

Anyway I think that every time I'm going to convert someone I'll give them a tome as well on the condition they take full blame and let no suspicion arise of the cult. Honestly I find it easier to explain revflash than converting. I mean how am I supposed to explain you are now under the influence of a dark god?

As for stungloves, I'll miss their removal but atleast now I won't see Engineers getting shocked by doors.

That's my signature move.  That's what I get for being so meta and making stungloves first thing.  AI shocks a door? ZAP! Door bolted? ZAP!  I won't miss that.

How does the stun compare to a regular stun baton?

Also, I would think a multigrasped spear should do more damage than a circular saw, which does 15.  You can stick the saw in a pack, I assume you can't do that with the spear, right?

Ah well.  Stun gloves were a bit meta-ey to begin with, although I'll miss the utility, I do think it's a step in the right direction.  I like the idea that at least I'll know if someone's approaching me with a weapon, unlike the undetectible stun gloves.

From the wiki:
Remember, law priority is enforced by the order they are listed. A law is invalid if it causes a conflict with either: Previous laws in the form of conflicting orders, or it challenges the procession of law priority. For example, a law that includes "This Law overrides all other Laws." is invalid and must be disregarded.

This is the basis of how laws work. So yes, Asimov is needlessly wordy.

Any law saying to ignore a previous law can be totally ignored. Any law contradicting an earlier law can be totally ignored. 

As far as the previous conversation, regarding 'discipline' vs harm, come on....  the law says "Don't harm humans". It should be obvious that calling harm 'discipline' doesn't change the fact that it's harm. If you're trying to use a harmbaton, it's even more obvious...


What was up with the round last night where the heads (except me, the CE) decided it was a good idea to upload corporate, plus a bunch of extra contradictory laws to the AI.   I thought the rule was that unnecessarily changing AI laws as non traitor isn't allowed.  Not that it made much difference in the end, due to a bomb taking out the AI's core cameras, it couldn't shut down its turrets to let us fix all the breaches, so I had to shut off its APC, since apparently the rest of the command crew went braindead, so nobody had acc...  I am quite sorry to the AI player for taking you out of the round, I just couldn't see any way around it.

What is this stunglove removal you speak of?

I know... it's so hard to figure out what really happened...  I was just curious if it turned out any of them were antags at the end of the round or not.

The captain had poor communication, whether that was due to traitorish behaviour or not I'm not sure. 

Someone shut off the PA at some point (Not really sure why... not much benefit to shutting that down).  Shutting the PA down isn't going to let the singu out.  Eventually, after it shrinks down, and the SMES's lose charge, AND the APC batteried die, maybe power would go out (Except the solars were set up too).  I suppose it works as a distraction though.

Ah good point... you need to get rid of that CO2 sooner or later...   So you'd extend the existing toxins furnace 2 tiles to the left, flooring over the open space, and removing the shutters. Then extend it down 2 tiles, meaning you'd be into the maintenance tunnel.  Then put an airlock leading out into space from there. If you want to be clever, you could even install a signaller to open the door remotely.

That'd give you pretty decently sized chamber, with all the functionality and hookups of the current chamber.  You'd have to remove some walls, and install 2 new walls and an airlock, but that's a lot less work than creating a whole new furnace.

But the bomb testing range would work too.  It's just going to be harder to pump gas into it, right?