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Quote from: birdy51 on November 18, 2013, 10:04:44 am

Deathsword, why didn't you use the word scum when you addressed me?

To put it quite simply: I have the suspicion that you are a third party. Looking at your interaction with others, I can't see much that would imply a scumbuddy. I strongly believe you are not town. I am not sure you are mafia.

Do you, feel that scum should only be used when talking about mafia players, or about any anti-town factions, in general?

If you consider it to be a valid term for any anti-town, allow me to say it for your satisfaction: you are scum. If only for mafia players, then let me put it this way: maybe you are scum.

The term scum should only be applied to players who directly go against the Town wincon. Serial Killers, cultists, and members of the Mafia are scum. I personally deplore the idea of voting off Third Parties for the sake of lynching Third Parties, especially under the pretense of a policy lynch, as no one can truly tell whether a Third Party by what their intentions are. For instance, the Life Shaman lynch of The Witch's Coven was arguably a complete and utter mistake.

Now, as for myself being a Third Party, no. I can see where you are coming from, especially since my role implies fair and balanced news, which is conducive to the idea of an absent Third Party. However, if I was a Third Party I likely would have claimed it by now, especially since I would need the Town to not lynch me to give me ti to accomplish my Wincon. However, I can still win, even after I die. The fact that I am willing to die should make it obvious that I don't have any ulterior motives.

Still, I appreciate the fact that you are looking outside the box a bit.

As a side note... I wonder if I could use Rerun on the Kingmaker ability. I haven't received anything on how my role works in regards to X-Shots though. I've sent a PM, but I have not received anything back on it yet.

Just... Stop. I realize that you are justifying your lynch, but honestly you don't really need to.

I have made an effort throughout this game to play to the best of my abilities, at the times that I could, and generally under the effects of stress. The fact that you say that I wasn't trying at all is quite frankly a bit insulting, and absolute failing as a player to read in deeper.

Where I have failed as a scumhunter, I have succeeded as a Townie. I created material that the Town can use. Nearly every single player has leveled an argument against me at some point, which means that I can be used as a nexus for conversation, long after I am gone. Why are they saying this? Why do the assume this? Why is that case half-baked? I did what I could to encourage this kind of thought, with very little success.

So, it looks I'll have to wait until I am dead to achieve results.

On another note, TWS, is also a consideration for the Scum Team. I originally thought he was a Townie, due to the fact that he rebuffed someone else for their bandwagoning of me. However, he has since done little of note, and has mostly avoided me. Deathsword also falls under this category... Which complicates things. Because of this, I have begun to doubt myself on you being scum, and I would rather not allow my words to condemn someone after I am gone.

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Silly Imp, Trix are for kids!

You forget, that at that point I believe that my vote was taken, and thus was merely a symbol, as opposed to an actual weapon. As I have already explained to Tiruin, it was cathartic to vote you as you have made numerous, but well-intentioned plots to lynch me. It had no purpose but making feel better, as I PMed that I lost my vote. The fact that you didn't notice that at all is rather disturbing.

As per the first, I have to be successfully targeted. Merely being targeted isn't enough. For me to detect them, I have to be effected by them. Thus, I don't know how redirects work in regard to my role. They don't change me in any shape or form directly, so I don't know if I detect them. Hence, I sent the PM.

Nerjin:

Quote from: birdy51 on November 17, 2013, 10:38:03 pm

Now... I hesitate not when I say you are complete and utter idiot if you think that Cheeetar's just going to magically make you king. Not because he doesn't have the power, but because claiming who your are targeting for a night action is practically begging for it to be intercepted. I would far prefer that he keep his choice a secret. The fact that there is a King should be enough to prove his innocence. You are already power hungry enough regardless. Unless you have some kind of double lynching ability to go along with double voting, I can't see any reason that you should proclaim yourself King.

Oh your words, they sting! Oh wait... No they don't. Not until you point out where I say "Hey Cheetar! Make me king because I want that sort of responsibility!" I said Someone, not me. You can keep your guilt tripping to yourself.

*shrugs*

I wasn't calling you stupid, just the idea that you are entitled to kingship because you can lynch him stupid. I also don't quite see the guilt tripping. You strike me as someone who has had to deal with people who are sarcastic often, and now struggles to understand a person who limits his sarcasm because it just doesn't translate over the interwebs. I really do think that I need to die before you can do anything remotely useful. O.o

Ooh Nerjin... I am not Magic Kung-Fu Jesus.

At this point though, I'm not willing to argue the point. Your usefulness is absolutely limited until you break out of this tunneling cycle, and the title of Kung-Fu Jesus amuses me. No words from me are going to find much quarter with you. If you are so convinced that I am scum, that you are willing to bend the entire town over backwards to achieve a lynch on me, just do it and be done with it. This form of Tunneling only gets worse as Days go on. Besides, Rerun isn't nearly accurate enough to attempt to lock down the scum team.

Now... I hesitate not when I say you are complete and utter idiot if you think that Cheeetar's just going to magically make you king. Not because he doesn't have the power, but because claiming who your are targeting for a night action is practically begging for it to be intercepted. I would far prefer that he keep his choice a secret. The fact that there is a King should be enough to prove his innocence. You are already power hungry enough regardless. Unless you have some kind of double lynching ability to go along with double voting, I can't see any reason that you should proclaim yourself King.

Beyond that, reads. I have a negative opinion towards Imp now. His argument seems that it was drawn up in the focus of seeing me lynched, as opposed to proving me as scum. He places a lot of emphasis on my slipperiness, as opposed to what and why's as to how I claim, and his apparent irk for my self-deprecating remarks that I consider myself a textbook example of a Genre Savvy Village idiot. That's really all I have the patience for when it regards his text wall. Once tomorrow comes, I really recommend you dissect it.

Now, everyone else. NQT has mostly flown off the scum radar, due to his very... Absent playing. A scum player would likely have more clue as to what is going, giving the Private Chat. Cheeetar has mostly proved his innocence, and Shakerag's weak argument(which he retracted rather swiftly) would be worth investigating. I believe Toaster's claim, and Tiruin and Nerjin have been marked as Town. Really, at this point I feel that we are standing a good chance of winning this game, barring any extreme circumstances, so I am content with dying, moreso than Day 1, where I still felt that I could contribute.

If I had to make an educated guess, my Scumteam Family Picture would look something like this:

Iqovian, Imp, Shakerag.

NQT could be interchanged as well, but that is where I would be pursuing.

For the case of talking though, I do have one more role, and it is rather insignificant. It is Rebroadcast, which let's get the other set of information that I didn't get the previous night. So since I learned about what successfully effected the night prior, I would now learn who successfully visited me.

The only thing I could do with it, is figure out who my guardian angel was, so I'm honestly not to concerned that I won't get the chance to use it. My usefulness is limited, until my innocence is proven by death. If it is necessary that I die as a martyr for the town, then so be it. I will be your Kung-Fu Jesus Nerjin.

Kent Brockman, signing off. (again!)

Oh blast... Why must you people destroy my sleep schedule!

Cheeetar, realize that tying the vote is generally frowned upon. I am also confused as to why I am no longer set to be lynched, so I cannot help you there.

However, you may want to explain yourself here. What is causing you to be scared of this lynch?

Wait... So I would still have a vote, assuming I that I never used it?

Oh sweet heavens this is confusing... Assuming my vote isn't actually symbolic, I'll unvote(As I would not actually like to lynch Nerjin until we know what kind of role Iqovian is.)

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Off-Topic

I also threw out an extension far earlier in this week, but it likely became lost in translation.

My own vote is purely symbolic, seeing as he stole my vote and refuses to allow me to use it. He's been the main instigator of my lynch, so it was a bit cathartic even if it was useless. ^.^

Regardless, it seems that Wuba hasn't been on to send us into the Night, likely due to random busyness. Happens to everyone I suppose.

Indeed. Nerjin has once again taken my vote to use it against me... Joy.

Whelp. I'm not going to be around tonight, seeing as I have opening night to worry about, and I don't exactly have anymore claims to make. Whatever happens, happens. Do what you have to do!