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NQT:
Don't reward terrible scum play in this game.  Don't blindly follow their last member until you lose.  Change your vote!  Or at least unvote me, which would accomplish the same thing.  You still have the ability to choose who wins, so don't choose the faction that never played well.  They claimed as scum! Don't reward that terrible play.  They deserve to lose

I'm confused as to why you are so very, very desperate to have me killed off tonight. My good man, you are flailing all over the place.

I told you, I don't have the ability to Night Kill. Otherwise, I would have been able bully you on Night 4 and this game would be finished.

Right now, you're desperate against someone who isn't even a threat Just let NQT see you tonight and be done with it.

Win with grace.

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Now in case I don't have the chance to, I apologize for my rather choice language earlier. I let my emotions get the better of me.

Deathsword, at the end of the day it is your decision I need to respect that fact. Do what you feel is right.

Birdy:
It is not a lie.  Your wincon would be fulfilled, which would end the game.  I am telling the truth.

My wincon is fulfilled when you can do nothing. That requires that there are only two players left.

Me and you. Attempting to dissuade otherwise is a blatant lie.

"Birdy-san, you speak reasonably and I know what to do tonight."

"Deathsword-san, you can't know that Griff-kun will stay at home tonight until we reach the night. It is slim but this is your only chance to win, and you've got to take it buddy."

"Griff-kun, while there is a chance of winning to you really expect me to lose graciously? I don't care if bullies or students win. Stay at home tonight if you think you've convinced Deathsword-san to give up."

"Toony-senpai, we're at the stalemate I wanted from this day, we've got a plan settled. We can shorten now."

Agreed. I was going to suggest that you stay home tonight and force the stalemate early, but clearly Deathsword has given up.

Go and win this game for yourself my good man. At this point, Griffinpup has no reason not to let you win since he has already has Deathsword in his crotch.

Allow me to summarize Birdy's arguments for you DS.
Emotional appeal...
Emotional appeal...
A vague suggestion that you can convince me to willingly lose.

Here's what's gonna happen.  You DON'T have all the time in the world.  What you do have is two nights until Both of us lose and mafia wins.  He's currently lying to you.  He's making you all assume that this game can go on forever.  It won't.  My last post articulated why the game would end after one night of me not sleeping with anyone.  I'm not manipulating anyone.  I'm telling you the truth.  I plan to stay home tonight.  I suggest, DS, that if you do have the ability to leave your house, that you go there.  I also suggest, assuming that DS really can't leave his house, that NQT goes there.  Tomorrow, we can lynch birdy.  He has offered no solutions to what will happen tomorrow.  The only thing that he talked about concerning after tonight is vaguely stating that you will somehow convince me to willingly spend the night with you.  Again, if you choose to work with scum, I won't, and we can all lose.

PPE.
DS:
Agreed.
NQT:
Seriously, lose graciously.  Why in the world would you want to reward the scum team for their wonderful play of EVERY SINGLE MEMBER claiming?

A bold faced lie.

I asked Toonyman directly on the scumchat whether or not this game has a failsafe mechanism to end the game. It doesn't. Get your facts straight before you start deceiving people.

NQT, Birdy: I cannot win. If we go into the night, all griff has to do is stay home. By doing that he denies me the win. And if I don't get to win, I'd rather not have you or birdy win either. I also particularly dislike claiming scum, as what I like most about mafia games is trying to figure out who is scum and who isn't. And don't think I can't stop you from winning either, NQT. I can simply loop you back to your home or mine or birdy's. So vote birdy and lose graciously instead of encouraging scum claiming.

If you want to surrender to apathy, fine by me.

If you don't have the will to fight for yourself on the half-baked excuse of "scummies ar bad, i cant win!" then you may as well get off this forum.

I have no sympathy for those who give up.

Okay, not really. I joined this game in hopes for a cakewalk, I got a cakewalk. First of all, as everyone already said, the setup is ridiculously, unbelievably unbalanced. Blindly ripping off boardgame's rules is not a good move. Far from it. Secondly, town was rather bereft of experienced players (with the exception of Tiruin). Town couldn't agree about anything at all, lurking was abundant and Birdy didn't do nearly enough about it. I was highly suprised when nobody picked up on NQT blatantly telling his teammates how to avoid sabotage clashes. I was actually about to accuse him myself, but then decided that the townie points this move would gain me aren't worthy of losing a teammate.

Now, regarding individual people:
Birdy - excellent writer, except for one major problem, and specifically handling replacements. 'They were wounded, left and were replaced'? A major suspension of disbelief violation right there. As a mod, however... well, let's just say you have to improve a lot. Major points: not listening to people telling you your setup is broken and proposing ways to fix it and not sending enough prods.
Nerjin - 5/5, no question.
NQT... At first I was like
, then I was like
and at the end I was like
. I don't think an explanation is needed.
Tiruin - 1/5. I was highly disappointed by his passivity and the 'how many spies were there?' comment would have marked him as scum had I not needed someone to call town.
GP - 4/5. Very well played, especially considering his lack of experience. The scummiest thing was intentionally getting my name wrong. That was seriously a bad move. Also, most of the points I mentioned in the post where I outlined my case on you are entirely valid - for example, you did twist my words regarding NQT.
Lenglon - 4.5/5. Would have been perfect if it wasn't for the power trip accompanied by WoTs I didn't even read at the end. Also a couple of fallacies (like the fact that I knew the second mission was going to be sabotaged (although true, it wasn't sound )), but nothing a couple more games won't fix.
GD - 2.5/5. The probabilities calculation was pointless... and I can't recall anything else. I don't remember any strong cases, whether right or not, for the entire game. Tolerable considering your newness, though.
TWS - 2.5/5. Occam's Razor argument was incredibly idiotic. Picking up on Tiruin's question was a good thing, though. Similarly to GD, nothing outstanding that I remember and if it wasn't for good votes lately it would have been 2/5.

Btw, my first team was truly random. If it didn't have at least one scum, I'd have used a different generator to reroll.
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I agree with your points on me. My modding left a lot to be wanted. However, now would be a good time to discuss things about the setup if you have any ideas that would help out!

Well... 2 out of three ain't bad...  This game was ridiculously unbalanced for town though.

Which was my fault, wanting to get the game on the road. However, it was closer than you think. Lenglon on Day 3 managed to create a team that was spy free on her first try. Only Nerjin was able to convince her that her team was "wrong".

Edit: I complied a few notes for myself that I needed to better on. I would not rate my performance as a GM very well, but hopefully my mistakes will make for a good learning experience for others!

Tension. Suspicion. Fear.  Idleness.

These are the pains of the Revolution

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Silence reigned in the warehouse as the remaining rebels huddled together around a can fire. They were tired and weary of fighting, their faces knotted in frustration. In their eyes, the reflected flames danced as embers soared through the air, illuminating the decaying world of the warehouse around them. A small flame in the dark. Like hope dying.

Nerjin was the leader of the day. He stood silent in a period in deep contemplation. None bothered to break him out of this trance.

As the hours passed, conversation began to pick up. Accusations and counter accusations were examined. Names of those who were spies were thrown about in grave bitterness. This too came to naught. When the hands of the clock drew near midnight, any final conversations were wrapped.

"Nerjin." NQT spoke. "Have you come to a decision?"

"Yes." Nerjin replied. Closing his eyes and inhaling a breath, he began to speak. "I know that I can trust myself as a rebel. So I shall be on the team. Tiruin has been one of most vital agents to the Revolution thus far, and I would fain leave her out of this operation as well. Griffionday and Griffpup both strike me as loyal members to the cause as well, so both will be included in this operation. Finally, I'll be taking Dariush along on the mission as well, for his undying and unwavering support to the cause."

"Damn right." Dariush chuckled.  A small grin crossed his face. "Tiruin, break out the-" 

Tiruin interrupted him, by sticking a ballot card into his mouth. "I know. Already done."

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"Well what are the results?" Nerjin asked. Tiruin stood off on her own, counting the ballots one by one by the light of the fire. With eight flicks of her wrist, each slip of paper fell into the flames and were consumed by the fires. Eight names, to be remembered as heroes or villains as history saw fit.

"All votes were received. There were two votes to reject the team and six to accept it." Tiruin paused, letting the gravity of her words sink in. "The mission is a go."

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Nerjin's Team
Nerjin
Griffinpup
Nerjin
Tiruin
Dariush

Accept:
Dariush
Griffinpup
Griffionday
Nerjin
NQT
Tiruin

Reject:
Lenglon
TheWetSheep

The Mission has been approved.

The thread shall now be locked...
Dariush, Griffinpup, Tiruin, Griffionday and Nerjin will be sent on this mission. Please submit your actions within the next 48 hours.

Even if you are a rebel, remember to send me a message as well.

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