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Roll To Dodge / Re: Roll to Dodge: Fall of Ovechkin
« on: July 14, 2018, 07:18:03 am »
Because Vlanladosians are of Arstotzkan blood...Though its been over 100 years at least since they where in Arstotzka. The nation was created when Arstotzka was still owned by the brits by pioneers who where blown off course and into the hell hole that is Vlanlados...
Lies and slander.

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For future reference:
Quote from: UF-SPAAS-44-2 "Garlic"
Garlic is a revision of the Sewing Machine, and accomplishes few things. First off, it takes the now decomplexified radar and shoves it into a Salamander,
We're taking a thing we have and thing we have and shoving one into the another. If our radar fits in planes, I don't see why it wouldn't in a big-ass Salamander.

Quote from: UF-SPAAS-44-2 "Garlic"
and then puts an Sewing Machine turret in the place of Salamander's one, linking the two, and possibly having a front and side armour plate to allow the gun to be used more effectively against ground targets.
Again, it's what we have, and honestly difficulty of just adding few sheets of armour to the front is trivial, and should help the system immensely with ground targets.

Quote from: UF-SPAAS-44-2 "Garlic"
Aditionally, an IR sensor similar to the one found on the missiles is also added to the turret,
This is again what we have, and while I believe we haven't worked on it, by now we should understand missiles and guidance relatively well, so I don't think it'd be that hard.

Quote from: UF-SPAAS-44-2 "Garlic"
and looks for strong sources of IR radiation, such as enemy night vision lamps. When spotted, the gun is aimed towards the source, in a manner very similar to how the guidance on the missiles work - if the target is off on X axis, it rotates the turret, if it's off on Y axis, it elevates the gun accordingy.
Self explanatory really.

Quote from: UF-SPAAS-44-2 "Garlic"
After the gun is aimed, the gunner can decide wether to shoot or not. Essentially, if he doesn't see any sources of visible light, it means shoot, because he's probably looking at a source of invisible infrared radiation, which is most commonly found as Cannalan infrared spotlights.
The only other things I could see being targeted are giant-ass fires, the Sun and maybe Cannalan Bulls. In first case, we probably can't do much, in second case the system is not even going to be used at day, and in third case we're shooting in the right direction anyway.

Quote from: UF-SPAAS-44-2 "Garlic"
A version of this system (sans the IR even, just the gun and the radar) should be put on the ships, to aid in their AA capabilities (SENSEI PLEASE NOTICE OUR SHIPS).
I JUST WANT AN AA GUN ON OUR SHIPS IS THIS TOO MUCH TO ASK AAAAAAAAAAA SENSEI AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

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The problem is if we're fighting in the Desert, NV won't help as much as a good rocket launcher.
It probably will. Remember, if they can fight at night while we can't, they're getting ~50% more fighting time.

I still contest that neither NV nor a rocket launcher will do as much good as a light tank using an automatic cannon capable of killing their MBTs,
So will the AA Garlic, not to mention that as I said, their vehicles should be dealt with by our air force at least now. This revision should be dedicated to something that deals with things we can't deal with at all, like the NV.

and capable of absolute murder against their Armadillo tanks. Oh, and it'll kill helos, if they somehow get past our new rocket-powered defensive network.
So will the Garlic.

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I think we should emphasize on the advantages we have. While I predict Cannalans will make an ASM since they probably were reeeing very hard about losing the naval advantage, we have a SAM and possibly AA batteries to deal with that.
The SAM will give us uncontested air to deal with their vehicles, and while their infantry weaponry is still a thing, I think the night vision is the biggest tipping point in their favour. We need to at least deny them it's usage. The Garlic in AA version is essentially that, and also might help unfucking the Sewing Machine a bit.

Of course we might roll a 1 on it and not achieve much anyway, but eh.

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I'm still somewhat partial to the anti-night vision idea, but a good RPG which is even more like an ATGM (maybe make a reuseable launcher and either dumb rockets, IR guided rockets for Bulls or like, radar guided magical rockets? That could be a design), but I think the anti-NV might be more useful in short term, since enemy tanks will probably get fucked by our air force right now.

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Forum Games and Roleplaying / Re: Exodus from Vlanlados
« on: July 13, 2018, 07:32:07 pm »
We aren't sending ALL the men outside to freeze to death
Are you cowardly? We can keep you inside then, you will make good food when it comes to that.

and ALL the women inside to starve, right?
Enough of them to make sure Katzarin isin't left alone.

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Forum Games and Roleplaying / Re: Exodus from Vlanlados
« on: July 13, 2018, 07:13:03 pm »
Why women? Are you implying that small girls aren't safe around men? Looks like someone's projecting a bit.
Because she's a woman too, and while this sounds misognistyic, it's 1944. Women should stick to inside jobs and leave the men ~~to die in the cold Antarctica outside~~ to do the work outside. All of those inside jobs don't put her at severe danger (at least compared to rest of them), and she might even be useful. Not to mention that women traditionally babysit children, which, again, to my defense it's 1944 and this isin't Forenia.
Unless she's a spoiled brat because >nobility.

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Heh....And? It's basic physics that the directional components of velocity are independent of one another, i.e., sudden acceleration in the x-direction does not produce an acceleration in the y-direction. Firing a tank gun sideways does not magically make the plane slow down. Maybe the structure would have problems...but I doubt it. Remember that the Reckless is known for being ridiculously durable for a transport plane.
It's not about slowing it down. It might fuck with the yaw of the plane, not to mention the you are essentially sending a plane flying sideways which will horribly fuck with it's ability to stay in the air for a while, and in general turbulence. There's a reason that 105mm howitzer on AC-130 has such effective dampening system it's essentially eliminated. It's not impossible, but I fear that if we don't focus on that the plane will fall out of the sky at worst or just won't be very accurate at best.
Not to mention that we'd probably want an actual howitzer to maximize explosive effect, not a tank cannon.
Also, regarding the Reckless Effect durability... the ramp.

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The Reckless has more mass, probably, than a tank, and isn't going to move even as much as the tank does.
As much as I'd like that fact changed, our tanks do not fly.

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the bulk of the ASWANG
That's actually the lamp, ironically enough. The actual scope is much smaller.

The 40mm cannons are copies of the Bofors 40mm antiaircraft gun
Why the heck do you have such a hard-on for Bofors guns lol. Also, 40mm is not going to threathen an MBT.

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UF-AGU-44 'Endless Vigil' [the budget version]
The Endless Vigil is a Reckless Effect, but with combat capability. For killing power, the Vigil brings to the battlefield a Bjorn cannon mounted in the side, and on the same side is a pair of 30mm autocannon. The aircraft has full flare packages and lots of ammo, but no paratroopers or cargo space (except for the ammo, of course). The aircraft is capable of loitering above a battlefield for longer than a helicopter, and carries more firepower (and is more survivable), while also being very stable and capable of engaging from a much longer range than said helicopter.
You know, the... biggest problem for me with this is the Bjorn cannon. It's not a relatively big but already dampened howitzer like on AC-130, it's a goddamn high-velocity tank cannon. I can easily see this failing due to difficulty because of dampening systems. Lose the cannon, maybe put a Sarukh launcher somewhere, or I don't know, figure something out, just without the ridiculous tank cannon. I'd still vote for either of the Garlics but I find it hard which to decide which is better, though the mental image of a Cannalan turning his NV on just to see the last thing in his life which is a rapidly turning quad autocannon is pretty hilarious.

Quote from: Biasbox
(1) UF-NVD-44 "Garlic": Kashyyk
(2) UF-SPAAS-44-2 "Garlic": Andrea, Kot
(1) UF-LT-44 'Hayat': Madman

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I think even more designs that help in air are kind of redundant for now. At this point I'd argue even the gunship is better idea than VVFME or Mach Break.

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Quote from: UF-NVD-44 "Garlic"
"Garlic" is essentially an infrared image converter tube similar to those "Cannalans" use with their Aswang night vision, and related to the infrared sensors we are using in missiles. Unlike Cannalan design however, ours doesn't include active lamps that illuminate the battlefield in infrared, which would mean that they're essentially useless, except, we are counting on Cannalans doing it for us - "Garlic" will enable our soldiers to see enemy sources of infrared light, while remaining relatively unseen themselves. This will enable us to kill Cannalan night vision users, or at least force them to stop using their night vision, at a fraction of cost of a full night vision device.

The "Garlic" should come as a scope that fits the old mounts, including the vehicle ones, and a set of binoculars that are essentially two scopes bolted together. The power for the converter is supplied by a small battery pack that can be worn in one of our many pockets.

Or an alternative similar to what Andrea proposed:

Quote from: UF-SPAAS-44-2 "Garlic"
Garlic is a revision of the Sewing Machine, and accomplishes few things. First off, it takes the now decomplexified (plane-sized small, if neccessary) radar and shoves it into THE REAR CARGO SPACE OF Salamander, and then puts an Sewing Machine turret in the place of Salamander's one, linking the two, and possibly having a front and side armour plate to allow the gun to be used more effectively against ground targets. Aditionally, an pptional IR sensor similar to the one found on the missiles is also added to the turret, and looks for strong sources of IR radiation, such as enemy night vision lamps. When one is spotted, alert is sounded in the cabin, and the gun is aimed towards the source, in a manner very similar to how the guidance on the missiles work - if the target is off on X axis, it rotates the turret, if it's off on Y axis, it elevates the gun accordingy. After the gun is aimed, the gunner can decide wether to shoot or not. Essentially, if he doesn't see any sources of visible light, it means shoot, because he's probably looking at a source of invisible infrared radiation, which is most commonly found as Cannalan infrared spotlights. Of course, the sensor can be turned off, so it doesn't aim onto the sun at day or take over the gun controls when the gunner doesn't want it to. A version of this system (sans the IR even, just the gun and the radar) should be put on the ships, to aid in their AA capabilities (SENSEI PLEASE NOTICE OUR SHIPS).

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Helicopter gunships have door guns
And those are not meant to attack enemies with significant anti-air presence. Fuck, they get shot down by unguided rockets fine.

and other helos, such as the Cobra, have guns that can traverse to the left and right partly so you can do this maneuver, because it lets you avoid flying directly towards the target which is dangerous if the target is shooting back because you aren't moving relative to them,
Which is why you move relative to them, for fucks sake. A plane, or even better, a helicopter can still move sideways and up and down, throwing off the AA aim. Going literally in a straight line is not something anyone with a fucking brain will do.

which makes you an easy target when you're flying low and slow.
Not as much as going high and slow and in a circle.

A straight line is a vector with a constant direction, a circle can't exist without changing direction, and in order to make a complete circle you have to be changing direction the entire time (turning). If you're flying in a circle around your enemy he has to be tracking you the entire time which complicates shooting you. I guess what you're saying is, from the anti-air attacker's perspective the plane is flying in a straight line? That's what it looks like from far away but if you look at it from above it's a complex movement that's actually happening.
It doesn't fucking matter how it looks from above or from perspective of the pilots, it matters how it looks from the perspective of enemy gunners. The gunners can be inside the circle or outside it, but in any case a circling plane is maintaining a relatively constant speed and turn, which makes it extremly easy to track it and account for.
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Nobody in his sane mind is going to go in a straight fucking line against an AA position. This example is just a simple roll, which isin't even the most optimal way of approaching this, but still. The plane is approaching fast and to a gun on the ground it's basically trying to hit a 2D target that moves around, except he has to predict where the target is going to be in few seconds or so, and if he fails he's gonna get fucking shredded once it gets close enough and speed at which he is capable of moving the turret is no longer sufficent. Shooting at a circling aicraft lets the gunner mantain approximately the same leading, so all he has to do is turn his gun with the enemy plane. You can argue that the cricling aircraft can also perform evasive maneuvers, but it really can't, since it's accuracy is DEPENDENT on the circling. Even if it just suddenly starts going straight, it's still going to fuck up the aim significantly.

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You realize the accuracy of a gunship RELIES on the target being relatively inside the circle, at least without very advanced fire control systems which we don't have and I honestly doubt could achieve. I'm honestly tired of this argument because you clearly have no fucking idea about shooting an airplane out of the sky. Just go play a game where you can do that, at very least, so you realize how it works.

I don't think you understood what I was saying, I was saying that to someone on the ground who is being orbited by an AC-130 it's flying left to right (because the AC-130's guns are on the right side), which is an advantage compared to flying directly at the target to use forward facing guns, because you're moving more relative to them when orbiting, which makes you harder to hit because the target needs to make more adjustments.
It's really not.

So, Kot, flying straight at the enemy does not give you chances to dodge.
You absolutely do not need to stay still until you start firing the guns or w/e. Just do a fucking barrel roll, and you're already fucking up enemy aim way more than you'd be by circling him.

It gives you chances to die, though,
Well, yes, because it's dangerous, but it's still not batshit retarded.

Dive-bombing was very, very hard if the enemy was on his game, because you're basically sitting still in the air above them, as far as the gunner(s) is(are) concerned.
You have absolutely no fucking idea how to dive bomb then. Setting aside the period during which the plane is on the approach, during which it should be doing evasive maneuvers anyway, during the dive the plane is essentially fucking with any non-advanced AA system because it requires VERY fucking advanced maneuvers (he has to point his gun directly upwards, rotate the gun 180 degrees, start aiming down, but by that time the bomb is loose and he's dead) from the gunner, and most of them won't be able to do that, and even guided AA such as Shilka is limited by rotation speed.

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Forum Games and Roleplaying / Re: Exodus from Vlanlados
« on: July 13, 2018, 03:11:04 pm »
-Make the Katzarin Kot's personal ward: (3) Kot, Kashyyk, Cnidaros
That was a joke really. If it happens I will just do what I said in original post - keep her safe with women on the ship for now, because honestly, Katzarin or not, she's the only child and arranging for any education in a time when we're LITERALLY GOING TO DIE SOON IF WE DON'T FIX EVERYTHING AT ONCE SOMEHOW is somewhat stupid idea. If we all die the education won't matter anyway.

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Roll To Dodge / Re: Roll to Dodge: Fall of Ovechkin
« on: July 13, 2018, 03:08:05 pm »
He would then just say "How can I be a traitor when I'm not a citizen of your nation?
This line of reasoning doesn't work with Forenia, sadly. How could I be traitor to Forenia if I was always Arstotzkan, not Forenian. :thinking:

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