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It's still not fucking cool to use someone's else army ESPECIALLY if you didin't mention it before using it. Also it's horrible, bad and evil for totally different reason - you learn nothing from it. Better to use your own shit units than units of someone superior, since after a while of using said shit units you may actually get better.

Quote from: Putnam on November 07, 2015, 04:59:01 pm

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Quote from: Shadowlord on November 07, 2015, 02:04:39 pm

(Whereas in Skyrim assassinating Ulfric is right out)

I played NV before Skyrim and this really disappointed me. Ulfric was such a massive tosser to your face, but you can't do anything easy and gratifying about it.

All I wanted in Skyrim was to subdue the Empire using the Stormcloaks, and then murder the bitchy Ulfric.
I'm not knowledgeable about TES lore, but didn't the empire have two or more dragonborn emperors? Why shouldn't the Dovahnkin be free to become emperor instead?

All emperors were Dragonborn.

Not to further derail into Skyrim, but...Except that last emperor, right? The one who comes to Skyrim in that ship?

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Dark Brotherhood questline.

The Dragonborn Emperor ended with Martin from Oblivion pretty much, all of them past it were regular humans.

From what I can tell, in the 40k verse, there are approximately 0 sentient, sapient races capable of forming sustainable long-term governments/societies without everything falling to shit, if they lack some sort of strong/magical authority figure. At least, on a large scale, I think.

Though maybe that's just cuz' eventually no matter what something is bound to go wrong.

War in Heaven/Necrontyr, Slaanesh's birth/Fall of Eldar Empire, Humans/Mankind in general, the Men of Iron and the Age of Strife in particular (though I cannot quite remember whether it was the Dark Age of Technology or the Age of Strife that was kicked off by the massive warp storms and whatnot), Orks in general, Orks in specific, the Mon'tau, moot point for 'Nids...

Except humanity. There are numerous examples from Great Crusade such as:
Conservation - alliance of anti-Terran Human civilizations that somehow survived the Age Of Strife and were wiped out by Emprah himself to give an example.
Interex - HIGHLY advanced society that used power armour even more advanced than Space Marine one, used some kind of crossbow-like weapon which fired bolts of lighting piercing turning tanks inside out with ease, etc. They were devoted to fighting Chaos and would become total bros with Imperium but then Erebus exploded shit and they thought Horus and his Luna Wolves were tainted by Chaos (at the time, they were wrong) so they got wiped out when rest of Crusade arrived.
Diasporex - nomadic civilization consisting of humans and aliens, had Democracy and were pretty advanced in terms of spaceships and stuff. Fucked over by Imperium because they didin't want to leave their alien allies. Famous last words - "We only wished to be left alone".
Olamic Quietude - Cyborgs, kind of like hivemind except with total democracy, their main fighting force was nearly complete cyborgs called Super Robusts (SIC!).
Auretian Technocracy - had at least one working STC, after 10 months of fighting with Imperium they got Exterminatus'd.
47-16 - similar story to Interex, except that they actually worshipped the Emperor despite never being part of Imperium but then of course Lorgar exterminatus'd them. The 47-16 is just a designation, we have no idea what was their name before the destruction.
Sixty-Three-Nineteen - planet orbiting an yellow sun, it's people claimed to be the true Earth, after encounter with Imperium some guy who claimed to be the true "Emperor" also popped up but that's a different story.
There was also Sarosh and Gordian League but I don't have much idea what was it other than that Dark Angels were busy killing them when Isstvan III happened, also I'm not even mentioning the whole Imperium Secundus bullshit because Guillman and rest of Loyalist Primarchs backpedalled out of it.
From more modern ones there was Adrantis Five, hyper-fucking-advanced, even Lord Commander Solar Macharius had to finally Exterminatus their capital planet with redirected comet and was bitterly resentful that so much knowledge was lost. Macharian Crusade also conquered Elaric Combine, heretic Hectacore, space-jihadists Krull,  and Hegemony of Iskander. Araneus Continuity was a bunch of planets subjugated by Imperial Fists and their capital planet, Araneus, would later become Necromunda. There is also Severan Dominate which split off the Imperium and holds all possible enemies at bay while being fucking stylish because they're fucking Romans even more than Imperium.

ALSO HOLY SHIT NEW IF THE EMPEROR HAD A TEXT-TO-SPEECH DEVICE!
HOOOOLLLYYYY SHITTTT, THE GOLDEN THRONE IS CLOGGEEEEED!
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HOLLY SHIT IT'S PRETTY RELEVANT TO WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT BEFORE, IT SEEMS
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i not meant the picture wars image the other one

You got feedback for that tho.

KillerHP: Fine.

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Go to Deviant Art and look at pixel art that's not picture wars. Draw inspiration from those. Conglomerate art from many people will almost never be as good as what you'd get if those people each worked on their own pieces. Trying to imitate it is not going to make you a better artist, even if you're specifically trying to get better for picture wars.

Start over at learning to draw lighting and shading. Look up photos of how basic shapes are shaded; try to duplicate them with 3-4 colors.
Don't try to do night scenes as well-lit unless they're actually somewhere well-lit. The back of that tree, for instance, should barely be distinguishable from the night sky.
Your methods of drawing light cones/circles are pretty bad. Empty sky does not behave like that unless it's filled with fog/smoke. If that sky is, it sure doesn't look it.

Stop filling a third of your pictures with single-color dirt. Just completely crop it out and your picture gets better.

Your pixel guy is no better artistically than a stick figure. That is not a gun firing pose. He's very boring.
That alien looks like something just dropped into your picture from space invaders. Its detailing doesn't fit anything else in the picture. It also looks like it's just .. sitting there, with its wings rotated 90 degrees away from standard flying position.
Your flashlight that looks like a lightsaber isn't projecting light nearly forward enough, and it seems to be held up by a blade of grass on the light beam.

Multilasers are kinda like "flashlight chainlights"
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Multi-laser

FTFY

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Wh40k is srs bsns. Also, speaking of flamewars...

Quote from: Kot on November 06, 2015, 12:27:26 pm

False analogy. AFAIK, Tyranids don't exactly have the same level of intelligence as humans and any similarities between both situations are due to different causes.

Nids have that one hive tyrant bloke that is continually reincarnated and retains all the memories of its previous lives whilst hormagaunts without guidance are like wolves
Some are smarter, others are not

Like humans

Except that most Tyranids aren't sentient which forbids them from forming groups without leadership from some psyker creature, and even then they're limited to it's intelligence, which is still fucking dumb in most cases, while humanity proved that they were more than capable of forming solid governments without Emperor, as the Warp travel without Astronomican is possible, even if pretty hazardous and much slower.
Read up on this, it's pretty cool, even if the creator picked only few theories.

Quote from: Kot on November 06, 2015, 12:27:26 pm

Except no. The Primarchs were genetically engineered from Big E own DNA and each one them made for exact purpose, which was imprinted in them so hard that even when they were raised in random environment they still defaulted to the task Emperor planned for them. Chaos Gods just think they did it because they fucked them around which was partially responsible for what they would become in future. Also because they're dicks.

Except maybe. Chaosy fellows during the horus heresy with Lorgar say Big E was given power by the Chaos Gods to make em.
You'd trust Chaos, wouldn't you? :D

Chaos? Maybe, Chaos Gods are usually pretty honourable in their own wicked way, but... not fucking Lorgar. He is the most manipulative, deceitful, and purely evil hypocrite this side of Universe, except maybe First Chaplain Erebus which was his most trusted sidekick and the guy who basically single-handely caused that world went to shit again, just because he felt like it.

Black Library canon says the Primarchs were made with a mixture of science and sorcery, the latter of which is supposed to have been stolen from the Chaos Gods in some fashion, hence them being irritated by the whole deal enough to send a Chaos Marine back in time to destroy the Geller Field protecting the infant Primarchs from the Gods. To some extent they consider themselves the real fathers of the Pimarchs, though it's possible this is just them being the lying bastards they're known to be.

Except canon in Wh40k literally doesn't exist. And Chaos Gods are angry that somebody is using magics without their allowance because their overinflated ego makes them think everything comes from them despite that they're just really angry little teenagers that make things happen with their minds. Also, hell, even if they're somehow right for once, it's still cool because Emperor knowingly fucked over four beings of immense power for the sake of humanity. It's a fucking Prometheus all over again.

Quote from: Kot on November 06, 2015, 12:27:26 pm

This... isin't exactly true. The Emperor COULD be Chaos God of Order in future, right now there is a single, little, thing that stops him from being one, which is His own rotten body on the Golden Toilet. To be a Chaos God he would have to be an completly Empyrean (Immaterial) entity. Right now he's just the most powerful psyker ever, with power that rivals Chaos Gods and that puts his future in Warp in pretty good light, as there won't be anything powerful enough to mindfuck him and eat the remains.

That's just one possible outcome, others include nothing but bad times ahead of humanity. And if he did become Chaos God? He wouldn't be the "Chaos God of Order" (unless everyone in the Imperium became bureaucrat commissars) he'd probably be the embodiment of Chaos Undivided: The Man Emperor of Mankind

Well, not much would change really. The existence of Chaos Gods don't exactly make everyone turn into rage-fueled sex machines manipulating people to spread space AIDS. As for the Chaos Undivided - a lot of people mistake the terms due to fucky naming. The Chaos Undivided of Malal (which, funilly enough, is theorized to be the missing Primarch (as in, fucking man made God) of missing XI Legion. His sacred number is XI, Sons Of Malice (aka the CSM that follow him) center their rituals and trophies around the number XI too, and those guys own too much of pre-heresy stuff to be just some random marines that went renegade sometime after HH), which is basically Chaos God Of Chaos (as in, anarchy) which is basically being random as fuck. There is also the "Neutral" Chaos Undivided which is basically doing things for your own reasons, which would be closer to Man Emperor of Mankind, but still...
Anyway, this is all bullshit theories because we all know that what truly will happen is that Orks hijack the Golden Throne and use the WAAAGH effect to heal the Emperor so they can have da bigga and badda Boss in da univershn.

So Emperor x Queen OTP?

False analogy. AFAIK, Tyranids don't exactly have the same level of intelligence as humans and any similarities between both situations are due to different causes.

Well it's known that they gave him unexplained power to create the primarchs and he reneged on the deal to give the primarchs over to them

Except no. The Primarchs were genetically engineered from Big E own DNA and each one them made for exact purpose, which was imprinted in them so hard that even when they were raised in random environment they still defaulted to the task Emperor planned for them. Chaos Gods just think they did it because they fucked them around which was partially responsible for what they would become in future. Also because they're dicks.

No, the Tyranids are just the Old Ones. The real question is, what are they running from?

No, they aren't both. Old Ones are almost completly extinct, but it's believed that maybe the Slann are devolved Old Ones, due to some similarities. As for the what they're running from - they're not running from, they're running to. After consuming previous Galaxy (which could be their own or maybe just another one of many) they got attracted by Big E big shining beam of physic fuck you called Astronomican.

All gods are chaos gods. The Emperor is merely the Chaos God of Order.

This... isin't exactly true. The Emperor COULD be Chaos God of Order in future, right now there is a single, little, thing that stops him from being one, which is His own rotten body on the Golden Toilet. To be a Chaos God he would have to be an completly Empyrean (Immaterial) entity. Right now he's just the most powerful psyker ever, with power that rivals Chaos Gods and that puts his future in Warp in pretty good light, as there won't be anything powerful enough to mindfuck him and eat the remains.