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... what about the folks that produce neither, though, SQ?

Have you ever told someone who was very polite and well informed about a topic to butt out of a conversation?

I have! Though I guess the polite is questionable. Sometimes even if they're polite and well informed it's not a conversation they're a part of, even if they're polite about the intrusion. It generally doesn't exactly happen much (to massively understate the extent it doesn't), though, no.

What I have an issue with is what I see as a push to turn entire college campuses or dormitories into such areas where only a certain political leaning is really accepted, because I don't want to be restricted from having my views in the place where I will be living and learning every day, and where I'm looking forward to being able to converse with many, many people of different view points and shape myself and my views accordingly. I'm afraid of the Yale incident sort of stuff, that's what I think if when I think of the whole safe space debacle. Whether or not you think that's misplaced worry or wrong in some way or
whatever is up to you, but I'd like to at least be taken seriously, here.

All I can really say is to reassure you you're almost certainly worried over a problem that's not going to actually exist, at the very least to an extent that's going to have any particularly lasting effect. There actually are a lot of campuses out there where idealogical leanings are pretty restricted, and there have been for decades, but you're probably not going into one if you're worried about what you're worried about.

To add to that, even if you do have that sort of problem, you're still pretty ruddy likely to be alright. You'll find people that share similar views, or at least accept your expression of different ones, even if you occasionally have to sit down and shut up (like, y'know, folks on the other side of the political divide largely have to bloody constantly on conservative campuses, and have for longer than either of us have been alive), and do the work to get your education instead of mingle. As someone that's lived on and gone to campuses where expressing certain ideological points to a particularly wide audience was an incredibly bad idea, and not just in the "oh you might lose job opportunities or maybe be kicked off campus" sense, you'll still be able to have the whole college experience and get what you're actually there for (that diploma, and maybe some networking) even if there's some subjects you keep your mouth shut on. Above and beyond everything else, most of your discussion with other students is going to be on subjects where political leaning probably doesn't have much application (because you'll have textbooks and assignments, and they'll have answers that aren't up for much debate) -- there's going to be a lot to talk about even if politics or religion or whatever is off the board.

As for the rhetorical question... it sorta' isn't, I guess, but the problem you're running into is scale. It's something that's happening to some degree on some campuses, but for most, you don't have a problem, and on top of that most where you would, the problem is not something someone expressing conservative viewpoints would have. You could still theoretically hit the bad luck lottery, but it's... seriously not likely.

Like I said, content warnings are pretty good things to have. It's the censoring speakers you already had signed up to speak because you find out they're not progressive enough that frustrates me. Everyone deserves a voice, including the people we don't like.

Sure. Because that's become an endemic problem, and isn't a stance just about everyone holds.

Though yeah, everyone deserves a voice. Thing is, no one is entitled to a pulpit, particularly not a pulpit someone else owns. Which is most of what the malarkey surrounding that particular problem is about.

But is it cow cheese though? I know there's a market for human dairy, but it's not terribly large.

And yeah, ed, sleep deprivation has killed but it takes drugs or some really rather unfortunate genetic conditions.

If you get in the right mindset it's a lot like listening to the waves. Becomes pretty relaxing. Your existence becomes a web of sound and you just kinda' float.

... and no, no drugs were involved.

Older country is... bearable I guess. This... pop-rock-country garbage though? No thanks.

Some of it's more than bearable, heh. I'll fight the critter that disses on Rawhide, m'self. Only somewhat metaphorically. I'm pretty sure the law around here would actually look away if you decked someone for that

And the parents thing is a sorta'. Apparently what you listen to in your late teens/early twenties is what you'll probably primarily enjoy 'till the day you die, so if it's different in that range, it may just diverge.

... which is good for me, because my playlist during that period was "everything". Pretty close to literally, genre wise.

Country. Dubstep is almost as bad as pop and rap.
Then again, where I live country isn't so very commercialized. Hm.

Might make a difference. Most of the country I hear basically is pop, except with a smaller subject range of the lyrics, less varied instrumentals, and generally worse singing t'boot. It's about as samey as mainstream rap, and somehow even manages to be less inventive.

I hear a lot of modern country. Several orders of magnitude more than I want to. There's (very) occasionally the decent one, and a fair chunk of the older (style) stuff is pretty great, but most of it... I'd rather listen to rap. At least that's somewhat harder to understand, so I'm not as likely to have to suffer through understanding the lyrics.