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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« on: July 22, 2016, 09:22:15 am »
@rotting crops, yeah, yeah there are. Think the other folks in this house have managed to rot probably two or three buckets worth of tomatoes over the last month or so. Five gallon ones. Probably a good 40-50 individual tomatoes, maybe more. Don't particularly like 'em, so I keep forgetting to do something about them before they go bad again :-\

Also did y'all know that decaying tomato juice gets basically goddamn everywhere? Because it does. Most plant things do something similar but tomatoes seem to do it faster and more prolifically than quite a few other sorts. I'm beginning to dread their existence in the kitchen.

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General Discussion / Re: Ameripol\{RK, mainiac}
« on: July 22, 2016, 07:55:50 am »
H... how did you get "capitalism is working out just fine for everyone" out of that? Most of it was about how problems with capitalism are being better dealt with than they were previously/other countries have been managing. There was pretty much no "working out just fine for everyone" involved in what... basically anyone has been saying for the last bit, so far as I can tell.

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General Discussion / Re: Ameripol\{RK, mainiac}
« on: July 22, 2016, 07:41:22 am »
Y... you addressed absolutely nothing that mainiac was talking about in that post, though... like, the goalposts they were using wasn't just moved, they were marched away from with enthusiasm. Things can still be overall improving despite them not changing much on certain issues.

... beyond that, cost of living issues and the changes regarding blue collar work over the last while is... a lot more complicated than just income stagnation. Standard of living is pretty notable, too -- you can definitely keep a family going on a single blue collar income in many places in the states (I personally live in one where it's fairly viable below the bloody poverty line, it's just damn sure uncomfortable), it's just you wouldn't exactly be living in the best of conditions. Mind, you wouldn't exactly have been living in the best of conditions a while back, either. People seem to like to forget what things were like a few decades ago for folks in that situation...

Personally, I get to hear from older folks talking about how things were back then, and... I like stuff like clean water, myself. AC, food that won't make you sick occasionally, not having to stuff multiple people into a single bed, healthcare that doesn't boil down to quackery, stuff like that. They talk pretty fondly about those times, but you listen to what they're saying and it's not what you'd call particularly rosy, imo.

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General Discussion / Re: Ameripol\{RK, mainiac}
« on: July 22, 2016, 01:00:34 am »
Quote from: Orange Wizard on July 22, 2016, 12:40:41 am
Quote from: mainiac on July 22, 2016, 12:32:35 am
The last 8 years have seen healthcare reform finally pass
Reforms that were pretty shit, frankly
... the benefits have been pretty significant, OW, and quite a fair number of the provisions that's been involved were badly needed. Like, the ACA and related stuff gets shat on a lot but great frothing chunks of that shit is basically (and sometimes literally) fabricated and it has really kinda' been seriously fucking helping on a lot of fronts vis a vis medical care in the US. You can make the argument that that's not exactly difficult considering the state of things before (I've mentioned before that literally beheading most upper management in the medical field would probably have helped too, ferex), but... still. US healthcare is definitely doing better now than it was expected to be doing at this point before the ACA went through. Long damn way to still go, but it's actually going to an extent now.

Quote from: NullForceOmega on July 22, 2016, 12:11:17 am
You mean, of course, the part where, in spite of him pissing off most of the Republican party, to the point that there is an incredibly vocal block that flatly opposes him, he still manages to be equal to Hillary in the polls?  Because that seems like one hell of an accomplishment here.
Barely managing to tread water (if that, because again, he's been losing those polls pretty consistently so far as I've been able to tell, even if the margin is not particularly large) when you're getting gargantuan chunks of free publicity against someone that's been under the fire of a constant media assault for literally decades, while managing to basically cause the party you're ostensibly representing to implode and get more of the constituency to vote against you (and this the bloody republican party, who are almost freakishly party-line these days) than for at the same time is... not what I'd call an accomplishment. I mean, it's sorta' impressive, in a sense, but it's not a good sort of impressive.

Much like his business career, he probably would have been doing better at this point if he had just shut up and let things coast. Instead he's managing to take pretty much every bloody advantage under the sun and still come out behind. It's almost like a mirror clinton, really. She's got gigantic heaps of disadvantages and is still managing to come out at least on par, and generally ahead.

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General Discussion / Re: Ameripol\{RK, mainiac}
« on: July 22, 2016, 12:05:11 am »
Eh, if you're at least not voting for trump, go have fun. Clinton could sacrifice a few kids to Moloch on live TV and still be less likely to damage the country on basically every level.

Also a good chunk of the answer to the polling is "party-line". Buncha' people out there that would vote red even if trump was literally Zombie Hitler (same for blue, of course, but the dems hate themselves a lot less right now, comparatively). Rest of it is mostly that whole decades long smear campaign thing. The really telling thing is that trump's doing as poorly as he is despite basically being a non-entity until this cycle. She's beating him in most polls I've noticed despite the fact he's not been the focus of decades of variously effective character assassination. Trump had years of media humped handicap coming into this, and he's managed... what he's managed.

Relatively small margin isn't exactly unusual given folks' voting and polling habits, though. Also the standard reminders about the meaningfulness of polls this far ahead of the vote.

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General Discussion / Re: I like anime, do you like anime?
« on: July 21, 2016, 10:59:29 pm »
It had something of a pause before the sequel started, at least.

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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« on: July 21, 2016, 09:01:18 pm »
Quote from: hector13 on July 21, 2016, 08:52:51 pm
How is it hard science? :P
Have you ever tried to actually do rigorous sociological experimentation? There's the hard sciences and then there's the fuckhard sciences that let the easymodo scrubs call them soft to keep the former's fragile egos from cracking like an egg.

Quote from: Cinder on July 21, 2016, 07:55:21 pm
Can we develop a school of science focused on sciencing the fuck out of all societal problems?
We're working on it. Sometimes it takes a while to roll up a sufficient amount of science to problemfuck with properly effective enthusiasm.

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General Discussion / Re: Ameripol\{RK, mainiac}
« on: July 21, 2016, 05:01:58 pm »
... it... certainly hasn't been for the last twenty or thirty years, at least. You'd have to be having convulsions or slapping someone to extend your arm during the US pledge. It's hand over heart. Not exactly complicated.

Actually, with a little more consideration, I'm having troubling thinking of any US salutes of note that involve an extended arm. Even the military salute is a bent one. Closest we come to that is firearm related stuff, so far as I can recall.

E: Though if the pledge in whatever area you're in/aware of looks anything like the nazi salute, you, uh. Might want to check the area for white supremacist groups >_>

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General Discussion / Re: Ameripol\{RK, mainiac}
« on: July 21, 2016, 04:49:25 pm »
Quote from: birdy51 on July 21, 2016, 04:00:12 pm
I think the whole arm debacle is kind of silly. Do we really have to watch our arms that closely so as to not accidentally perform any tabooed arm gestures?
Well, we don't, generally,* but there's be an argument that public figures in front of crowds might want to be a bit more aware of how what they're doing (intentionally or not) can be interpreted than the average joe blow. Like, yeah, I'm not going to let a POTUS get away with accidentally doing a nazi salute (or just much of anything that looks like it, really) in germany or somethin'. You get less chances to say oops on stuff that bloody basic when you're a major politician.

It's perhaps unfair, but considering the amount of power these people are jockeying for I'm not sure the heightened standards aren't appropriate, particularly when it comes to those sorts of communication issues. If you can't manage to not make easily misinterpreted arm gestures, I'm probably going going to count that as a point against, m'self, at least if you're on a stage or addressing the nation or whatever. There's a lot of things I'll consider mitigating circumstances or relatively irrelevant for a politician but that's kinda' really basic in the worst sort of way for a public figure. It's not a dealbreaker, but it's something that you look at a politician, particularly one that's going to be doing much that involves interpersonal communication, and think maybe they need to find a less public position to help the country out and it might just be a good idea to keep them far far away from anything involving public speaking or diplomacy or things of that nature.

*Though sometimes, yes, you kinda' do. You may have trouble convincing an authority figure or whathaveyou that you weren't intending to flip them off when you incidentally extend your middle finger for whatever other reason, ferex. Pointing, adjusting glasses, whatever. I've actually got in trouble a couple times in my life for not paying attention to the latter, heh.

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General Discussion / Re: Ameripol\{RK, mainiac}
« on: July 21, 2016, 02:13:58 pm »
Inertia and stubbornness.

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General Discussion / Re: Ameripol\{RK, mainiac}
« on: July 21, 2016, 01:46:49 pm »
I'd be perfectly fine just adjusting the election cycle and having the vote be on an existent holiday, too, personally. Rather we be given some kind of general reward for voting beyond the normal civic aspect (day off'd be nice!), but I'll take just making the civic aspect a little bit easier.

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General Discussion / Re: Ameripol\{RK, mainiac}
« on: July 21, 2016, 01:40:58 pm »
Y'know, has anyone in the US actually argued against making election day a holiday? Like, I've never seen someone saying it was a bad idea. Anyone. Ever. Mention it to folks of pretty much any political inclination and they're like, "... yeah, that'd be a good idea."

Do we even having polling data on the subject? Some inclination of how many folks in the US support making it a holiday?

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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« on: July 21, 2016, 11:54:02 am »
That they do! They're not too hard, though. Decent set of gloves will make them mostly a non-issue.

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General Discussion / Re: Ameripol\{RK, mainiac}
« on: July 21, 2016, 11:17:49 am »
Quote from: Reelya on July 21, 2016, 10:57:25 am
Considering that USA co-opted the name of both continents "America" to apply only to their single country, it's not a surprise that you have a restricted common-person usage of North America as well. If only that pesky Canada wasn't there with the temerity to be even further north, you wouldn't even have to include them in that. ;)
Eh, we'll claim canada. It can be american, if cold and odd. I've been to mexico. We don't claim mexico. We'll piss on it, but we won't claim it.

I mean, sure, probably at least a quarter of the reason a good chunk of the country is basically a shithole and even more of the reason there's actually what amounts to a civil war going on there is because of the US, but we have nothing if not a long and storied history of screwing people over and then pointedly ignoring what happens afterwards :V

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General Discussion / Re: Ameripol\{RK, mainiac}
« on: July 21, 2016, 10:44:52 am »
... let me put it this way. It's been treated as central american the entirety of my life in pretty much everything I've actually encountered in person. Could be regional, I'unno, but it's definitely not just a recent trump thing or somethin'.

Regardless, yes, if you include mexico there's probably an undeclared civil war going on in NA. I've never really considered it a country lumped in with the US and canada, personally, but whatever. Point intended to be addressed was if there's one in the US, and there isn't. Carry on.

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