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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« on: June 24, 2016, 04:30:44 pm »
Meet momodora 3's morph ball:




Welp. Welcome to the game, I guess.

E: Oh gods, the crouching animation. Have a still: It wiggles. It's a cat-about-to-pounce animation. Damnit game, I needed those teeth.

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General Discussion / Re: Breeki British Brexit thread
« on: June 24, 2016, 03:47:14 pm »
It's kind of fascinating that so many older people voted to leave, considering they're typically the ones with houses, savings, pensions, and other assets that are going to depreciate as a result of the economic repercussions.
See, the rub here is that there's assets to depreciate. Folks with houses, savings, and pensions don't have to worry nearly as much if the economy does take a nose dive, or shit gets rough to whatever degree for the primary workers -- they've already got theirs, as the saying goes. Risk (ideological purity, whatever) comes a lot easier when you've got a guaranteed income (pension, substantial assets) to look at rather than, y'know, what the younger generations are looking at.

As misk, the rub there is that for a lot of 'em, that "status quo" was thirty years ago.

Plus the older folks... they may worry harder about losing things, but they're also often significantly less risk averse in a lot of ways, from what I've noticed. Having those things means you have wiggle room, areas where you can gamble and not have to really worry about the consequences in any substantial fashion. Younger, less established folks... they don't have that. They're less vocal about it largely just because they don't have the bloody time to be.

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General Discussion / Re: Minimal wage - should it exist?
« on: June 24, 2016, 03:21:35 pm »
You... seem to have missed the point where a higher minimum wage would mean significantly more that "low single digits" being less poor. Note that 1.3 million was for folks making dead on the federal minimum. That doesn't including the people that are making less than an increased minimum.* It doesn't including the people that are making less than the current minimum (from that quote's source, another 1.7 million**). Nor does it include those who aren't paid by the hour, but are still making the equivalent of at or less. People aren't poor for any one or two reasons; there's dozens upon dozens of contributory causes. What a minimum wage is intended to address is just some among many.

If you want to see the report that quite came from, you can find it here.

*A $15 minimum would effect around 42% of the hourly paid working population, by the by; somewhere in the realm of 30 million people if I'm checking the numbers right. A $10 minimum would effect around half that.
**You can say 3 million is still low single digits, I guess. I'd personally call around four percent of our entire wage/salary base something that's a pretty substantial issue, particularly considering it falls notably on those of us who can afford it the least.

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General Discussion / Re: Breeki British Brexit thread
« on: June 24, 2016, 01:00:05 pm »
I mean, I want to blame Cameron, but he's just the guy who started the vote. The real villains here were the ignorant rural people, who are largely responsible for supporting for most of the worst governments in history.

Yes, so let's disenfranchise folks because they aren't "smart enough".

What other conclusion are you trying to draw here?
Maybe just advocating for better education investment? The word was ignorant, not stupid. Or at least more effort in making sure people are actually getting legit information and whatnot.

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Nah, the sentiment is pretty strong in the U.S., too.

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General Discussion / Re: Breeki British Brexit thread
« on: June 24, 2016, 12:11:05 pm »
So if this leads to a chain reaction dissolution of EU and Trump wins in USA, are we going to have WW III in the next decade or two? The global political trends sure seem to be heading towards less stability, but how unstable will it get?
If all that happens within the next decade or two, sense will have flown off and started a career breakdancing at the Lagrange point. Any predictions made now would be worthless for this hypothetical world of fat beats and nonsense.

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In other news, it looks like the article 50 negotiations have already begun (and yes, I'm aware they haven't officially started); Schultz has already said they're not letting the UK back into the single market :V

Definitely looking like the negotiations on that front are going to be a hell of a thing.

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Well I guess we can let England apply to be a US state.
Hold on now, let's not get hasty. If they're going to apply for anything, they'll need to get in line behind Puerto Rico and spend some time as a territory. There's a process to this sort of thing.

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Yeah, mostly is probably not the right word. There was also a great heaping pile of lies, apparently, among some varying kernels of actual argument. Seems like there were even some vaguely decent ones, they just were largely drowned out by "immigration" and promises that are looking a lot like they're not going to be able to be kept.

S'kinda' fun in a morbid way, actually. It's taken very little time for some of the leave supporting politicians to start backpeddling rapidly, ehehe. So much for that NHS budget not budging :V

So now the only reason to oppose immigration is being a racist?
Sweet zeus people, that's not how it works. No, that's not the only reason. Yes, it is a substantial reason many people do. Near as I can tell with UK, it'd have to be a pretty significant one, because most of the things the leave campaign's been saying will improve with less immigrants seem to have basically bugger all to do with immigrants. I guess you could contribute some/most of it to ignorance or gullibility instead? There's probably some folks in there that have some sort of reasoned argument for the opposition, but seeing more of the UK situation as I've been looking at this stuff this mornin' it's looking like a lot of potential avenues for that doesn't just doesn't apply to the UK.

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Huh. There... has apparently been an upswing in the london secessionist movement from this? Like. Not a movement based in london. One for the city itself, aiming for independence from the UK. I didn't even know there was one.

... how would that even work?

@Owl: Poor fellow. Could half just call that spiel the immigrant's lament.

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Anyway less united, huh. *looks at scotland and NI, 52/48 split* I... guess that's true? You could claim they're roughly as united as they were two days ago. Kinda' doubtful, though.

Part of me half wonders if the disputed cow route could be a thing. 52% of population takes 52% of the country and leaves, 48% of the country takes the rest and stays in EU. The schadenfreude would literally split nations :V

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General Discussion / Re: Minimal wage - should it exist?
« on: June 24, 2016, 06:49:30 am »
@cthulhu: Google had this to say, right at the top of the search results in a big box:
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In 2014, 77.2 million workers age 16 and older in the United States were paid at hourly rates, representing 58.7 percent of all wage and salary workers. Among those paid by the hour, 1.3 million earned exactly the prevailing federal minimum wage of $7.25 per hour.

This looks like a quick attempt at a breakdown. Zero clue how accurate it is, though.

If you're more curious about wages that aren't particularly livable, the 2015 poverty rate was 14.8 percent. Or around 47 million. S'actually a kinda' shit measure, because so far as I can recall the poverty rate doesn't vary based on region, but eh. Could be wrong about that... s'been a while since I looked at the methodology involved.

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Who need Euros? We can lend them some good old Dollars. :P
Don't think we actually would though. From what I'm picking up watching other conversations, it looks a lot like a non-EU UK would be fairly significantly aligned against our interests. They're apparently much more inclined in terms of economic and international relations with the sino-russian bloc. So iff anything, it looks like if they would end up on something besides the euro in such a scenario, it'd be the yuan or ruble.

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Oh, neat. Just noticed the potential loss of the AAA. Anyone have a better idea how likely it is S&P's going to go through with downgrading the UK's credit?

And white means a hell of a lot of things that differ by region and time period, when it comes to skin color. Probably best to not think on it too hard.

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good old "everyone who disagrees with me is racist"
That's the regressive left for ya.
And the illiterate right. It's good to see people come together :V

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