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Who knows. It didn't take that long for that dwarf to jack it up, did it? And the fat fairy just kinda' tossed it back out, jacked up again. It may not have taken long at all, and only the goddesses know what it was made out of. It could be very dirty indeed.

E: Or not just ganon, really. I can see you rolling up to the pedestal in the LttP forest, and there's one of those ball and chain guys waiting for you, twirling the pedestal around.

Not going to lie, now I've got a mental image of ganon running around with the master sword, it still stuck in a rock.

Lots of stuff contributes more to the US homicide rate than guns, ant. Has never really been a question about that.

Yeah, one I've got in the spoilers at the bottom is merged, though I didn't try to incorporate Erkki's outside-list stuff.

Quote from: Insanegame27 on June 20, 2016, 05:44:13 am

The thing is, though, I haven't heard of a massacre which was foiled because of people owning a gun.

Because generally people who go around massacreing people do so in places law abiding people aren't allowed to take their guns.

What? No, most mass shootings in the definition you usually see used (4+ killed) generally happen where concealed carry at the very least is okay. A fair number of the ones that are more spectacular occurred outside of schools/government compounds/hospitals/etc., too. We probably hear about the ones in schools and whatnot more than the rest, but there's plenty of the things at workplaces, shopping centers, churches, so on, so forth. Places where any no-gun policies would be strictly ad-hoc and not particularly legally binding.

It is fairly untrue that no mass shooting has been stopped by folks that are armed and not law enforcement (there was something like five between '00 and '13 in the US, ferex, according to the FBI. To give reference, that's five out of about 33, going by this data -- which is fairly conservative in tracking to boot -- around 25 of which would have been in areas concealed carry was legal to one extent or another). It's also fairly untrue that it's particularly common, even in areas where it is legal for civilians to carry. And beyond that, it's... fairly arguable it would actually be desired, if it were an option. Your average civilian CCP holder isn't exactly trained for situations like a gunner in a crowded room, and there are a lot of ways that can cause problems. There's a (number of) reason(s) cops tend to be really gorram leery about armed civilians being near a crime scene, active or otherwise.

Might be less troubled, m'self, by that last bit vis a vis the state of things in the US if we made any attempts that aren't complete shit at helping ensure civilian weapon holders are even remotely competent, but... y'know. I've been through firearms safety training, most of the way through the concealed carry certification process (never actually sent in the paperwork, mostly due to not having 200 bucks on hand for it, but that was the last step involved and everything else was in order). We kinda' don't. It's better or worse based on state, but... yeah. And that's not getting into whether we actually want our population to be acting like it's under siege from itself 24/7.

... y'also kinda' have to remember that most of the folks that do that kinda' thing don't exactly choose their venues based on expected resistance. It may be some degree of influence, but they've usually got bigger reasons for doing that shit.

They aren't even that hard to make.

... mate, have you ever actually made a gun? Been around someone that did? 'Cause I've actually helped out a gunsmith before, a bit. It's a pretty extreme deception to call a gun easy to make. A shitty gun is easy to make -- a modern firearm, that's accurate and not substantially more likely to jam or explode on you, is not even remotely easy to build. It's actually pretty bloody hard! Fairly precision machining involved, and a good amount of skill. Factory setting can stamp 'em out due to being specifically tooled for it, but outside of that, not so much.

Shoddy pipe guns or whatever aren't too difficult, sure, but those are also generally less dangerous than a ruddy knife. If folks were limited to home-made firearms, you could pretty much guarantee there'd be a lot less dead people involved when they start getting fired off.

... there's apparently been someone making updates to IVAN for a little over a year now, sporadically. Huh.

Oh gods. That music in the steppe talus video. Is driving me goddamn insane. There's this one friggin' part of it.   

Which I figured out where it was coming from part way through typing this. Bloody lost woods. The BotW's bit starts at ~0:21 in that video furt linked; it's just, like. A single strike or whatever the hell the musical term for it is, and it's enough off that it's fairly tenuous. But if that is not a gorram reference I don't know what the hell it is. It's almost a match to the bit starting around the sixth or seven second of that linked bit. Just off enough that it drove me up the bloody wall until I puzzled out why it was bothering the hell out of me.