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Messages - Frumple

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... good? That would be one of the more right things that happened, here, assumin' it's true. If she'd gotten in there, it'd been significantly more likely to go from an injured kid to a dead one, and likely dead or crippled mother, too.

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Mm... not in any zoo I've been in. Most of 'em have well enclosed areas in a lot of places, and plenty of room to walk by and not be in idiot-dash range of a fence. There's usually only a few spots that have fences someone can potentially squeeze through, which is where the extra attention is warranted.

If that kinda' thing (approaching an area with a potential drop and animals that aren't particularly harmless) isn't thought of as dangerous, though... there's bigger problems happening in this situation. And vis a vis it not being common... maybe it's not, but there's whole heaps of not uncommon stuff we bring down hammers on people when they do it and stuff goes wrong. Not really what I'd call a mitigating factor.

Maybe clear things up a bit, I wouldn't be calling for much in the way of culpability, m'self... probably some kind of fine, or a long ban from the zoo itself (maybe nearby ones in general, I'unno). Some sort of renumeration for damages incited and/or prevention type deal... probably the former more than the latter, really, since the party that actually came out worse damaged is the zoo, unless the reported concussion is false/significantly downplayed. Parent'll already be paying for the damage done to the kid, after all. No need to double down in that arena unless there actually is sign of something beyond temporary negligence.

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... 'bout the only way I can think of it would be if someone actually shoved the kid through the bars or somethin', tbh. And even that would be questionable. I can't really think of much else that doesn't boil down to an explicit parental screwup.

Far as the hand holding goes, kid small enough to fit through those kind of fences are almost certainly still well in the hand holding range when around something like a fairly open fence, age wise. Mostly 'cause, y'know, they do stuff like what we're discussin'.

Maybe it's a bit different where you're at? There wouldn't be any askance looked at a parent keeping a kid in hand in a potentially dangerous situation 'round here.

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Anytime they were near an open fence, sure, if there were any reasonable doubt the kid would try to slip through (and... there pretty obviously was, 'cause it actually happened). Or in a stroller or somethin', if they're small enough. Eyes on and arms reach, otherwise, or something equivalent. Hand holding is a thing, yeah?

Personally pretty distinctly remember having parents do just that for me in similar situations, when I was young and stupid enough to try to go through fences. Hand holdin's a pretty decent low-key way to stop kids from killing themselves, from what I recall.

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People want to lynch the mother without even knowing what happened. It takes like what 2 seconds for a child to slip between/over a fence? Sometimes shit simply happens, and unfortunately this shit was very sad.
It's true that sometimes shit simply happens. Someone letting their kid close enough to a fence and unrestrained (i.e. picked up or somethin') and untended enough to slip through isn't something that simply happens, y'ken?

There may be distractions or emergencies or whatnot that explain it, but it was shit that could have been prevented (pretty easily -- if your kid's that small, keep your hands on 'em or in a stroller if you're letting them near anything potentially dangerous) and it's pretty difficult to excuse that, particularly when it ends up like this case did.

Definitely a bit too much vitriol from some folks, though, as per usual. Doesn't have anything in particular to do with the internet, though... people are just kinda' like that. You would have had similar (if less easily accessed) responses if it had been pre-internet and in a newspaper. Some folks just like to feel and/or act outraged...

Should spend some time going over old letters to the editor and whatnot, really. It's almost fascinating how little some things have changed with the advent of the 'net. Easier to get to, but human psychology only changes so much.

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It... really kinda' doesn't. Much of the outrage towards the mother is for her letting the kid get in the enclosure at all, more than anything else involved. More a case of human incompetence < animal, and should be punished accordingly when it gets animals in a situation they have to be killed or injured, for those ones.

All the inappropriate vitriol aside, they've got a damn good point so far as that goes. Shitty (perhaps only temporarily, who knows) parent got their kid nearly killed and an animal outright. Generally we levy some kind of penalty against junk like that. Looks like folks are going the public shaming instead of legal route, but *shrugs*

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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« on: May 31, 2016, 06:28:08 am »
Not on this forum code, no.

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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« on: May 31, 2016, 06:13:25 am »
I still don't get why we should give a flying fuck about the Earth beyond it being our habitat.
We don't really need to. Caring about it being our habitat covers several metric fucktons of "Shit we should be doing but aren't." Including animal care (and subsequently healthy species that aren't going to potentially die and take parts of the biosphere with it or inculcate the next great plague). There's probably some psychological benefits to being something more than entirely self-interested shitheels, though.

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The ones claiming responsibility appear to have stated what they were trying to do, according to some other articles covering the incident. Apparently Sanders doesn't sufficiently oppose inhumane animal farming conditions for that particular group, and they were hoping to (somehow) convince Sanders to take a harder stance on the subject. Which I guess is something of a fair cop... pretty sure none of the candidates give too much of a shit about that subject. Some (and Sanders more than most, near as two seconds of googling could tell), but not all that much.

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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« on: May 30, 2016, 09:21:55 pm »
Really isn't much of one, all told. I had actually forgotten just how much has been done with samples these days. Remembered there's a huge chunk of the music on OCRemix, just a singular body of examples, that's never had human hand touch instrument (unless you count the keyboard and mouse, I guess), and only some of them can you really tell... generally the worst examples just sound like a poor player/poor recording. The best sound like they could have came out of a recording studio or performance hall.

Could swear there's actually a few projects out there already trying to suss out a bit of software that'll just compose and perform from top to bottom on its own (iirc, there's actually been a good handful of really interesting sounding more-or-less procedurally generated music produced t'date, among a great deal of basically noise... and not even noise music), but even just stuff that's fully digitally produced gets pretty impressive, already.

Honestly, thinking on it a bit more, it's actually kinda' exciting. Almost all the developments in electronic production of music has occurred largely within my lifetime to date, and I've probably got another one or two of those in me. And the strides in that field have been faintly ridiculous, really. What'll we be hearing another few decades from now?

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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« on: May 30, 2016, 03:42:11 pm »
Which... yeah, as noted above, the primary roadblock is cost more than just about anything. Bring that down to less than actual farming and you've got yourself an industry shrinker.

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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« on: May 30, 2016, 03:17:37 pm »
While true, give people a full course meal's worth of nutrients for less than the cost of rice per pound, and I can pretty much guarantee you there's gonna' be a lot of people learning to prefer amorphous nutriment paste, at least for most meals. It's just gonna' have to be well and away less expensive than current options of such a nature.

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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« on: May 30, 2016, 08:06:13 am »
Eh, you kinda' do, it's just on shittily made biological firmware with even worse optimized software. Give it some time, we'll manage something that hits a higher benchmark (in everything, as opposed to just some thing) sooner or later.

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Other Games / Re: Enter the Gungeon - Isaac meets Nuclear Throne?
« on: May 30, 2016, 07:26:02 am »
It makes it very hard to tell where anything is, yes, and even harder for the game to actually do anything if your comp is anywhere even remotely close to the lower end system reqs. Though not so much iBomb as chain-smoked cigarettes with infinite health and anything else. And not corsair, but the zilla shotgun instead -- the bullets don't last as long, but there's also a lot more of them in one go :3

Don't forget your electrified rounds! And some bullet size increasing items. Because the screen wasn't covered enough. You could still tell where things are! Now you can't.

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Other Games / Re: Enter the Gungeon - Isaac meets Nuclear Throne?
« on: May 30, 2016, 06:42:01 am »
Now you just need scattershot :3

E: ... and duct tape and a serious cannon. Or corsair gun or somethin', I guess. Another charge gun that has a long lasting projectile. You can really fill a room up at that point!

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