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Quote from: Orange Wizard on April 20, 2016, 08:39:36 pm

Orange Wizard            Ban      Repeated unprovoked America-bashing

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[press f to pay respects]

* Frumple presses u.it's the letter on the opposite side of the alphabet :3

If you remove the faith aspect, it's basically pointless? I mean, there's the who social group/ritual thing, but that's just playing make-believe with social pressure to join in.

"Just". Playing make-believe is one of the most important things humans are able to do. Almost every aspect of human culture is some variation of that, and the same shtick is behind huge chunks of our scientific advancement, among great sopping heaps of other stuff. There's no "just" to make-believe, especially once people start convincing themselves it's true.

Beyond that, ritual and social group shenanigans are and have long been tremendous influences on basically everything humans do. And ritual in particular, you don't need faith at all to see benefit from that. Frankly, faith is arguably the least important part of religion -- religion can and often does function just as well with or without it.

... also, no, spirituality totally isn't equivalent to faith. It's how you address matters of, well. The spirit. Stuff that's not absolutely physical, and even then the consideration of that as being the only thing that is, is a position vis a vis spirituality. Buncha' shit tied up in that stuff, and there's not really a particular linchpin.

Metal Slug [/thread]

..."We're already murdering them, no point in making sure they don't suffer"?
I don't understand, that's not how that works.

"We've already set ourselves up to make them suffer from birth to violent death, no point in changing directions at the end of it." Would be closer. Really, I just have a great deal of trouble buying at face value that people that don't give much of a shit about the animals for every point before they're offed suddenly claim a conscience at the end of it.

Though it's more not much point in going out of your way to do so. Shouldn't go out of your way to make it worse, either. Mostly it's just a matter of calling bullshit on the suddenly changing amount of concern. Perfectly fine with breeding them to be food, perfectly fine with all the shit that happens before that's varying degrees of bad for the entity (if not always outright overtly harmful, of course), perfectly fine with killing them en masse, but gods forbid they wiggle a little before the butchers start cutting. You're better off pointing to some other reason besides concern to reduce suffering*, because that's a helluva' lot more convincing :V

'Course, if you're one of the folks that actually do care about everything beforehand, more power to you, and a genuinely sincere wish of good luck. You're going to need it, and a double ration keeping the things existent afterwards if you actually pull it off.

*And there's totally other reasons for making them not suffer at various points of the process! It's better for the quality and cost, iirc, and if excess harm is causing psych problems for the folks processin' them, that's a definite issue.

I honestly can't think of anything that they could have been doing short of actual physical violence (Which, as far as we know, they did not) that would warrant an arrest. Hell, even if they were involved in the fighting it's still not an arrestable thing for me.

Eeehhhh... I could conceptually see it if this was like the dozenth time they had surrounded people and incited violence, despite other attempts to prevent the behavior. That could conceivably see some time in juvie, or something of similar nature tailored for the particularly young.

... I somehow doubt that's what happened in this case, though. Most of the time we see kids this young get arrested, it seems to be primarily cases of cops and/or administrators being pieces of shit. Still, few hundred million people, some of 'em will probably be kids that actually did something reasonably sufficient to net being sent off.

S'just, y'know. Unlikely.

There have been teenage mayors.

That's mayors, though. The bar for mayoral positions are not so much low as they are subterranean.

You should, as it's both fairly short and full of wtfery.

Also... well, OW, this is The US. Looks like the under twelve category's averaged something like four or five hundred (very rough, very half-assed skimming generated eyeballing of FBI numbers from '93-'01) a year for the last while. Which, being fair, is pretty small when you consider the country's population, but when you're dealing with 300+ million, "kinda' hard" still ends up being a fair number of people.

Though yeah, danger can vary. I've seen a six year old try to go at someone with a butcher knife before. I mean, sure, it was pretty easy to just shut a door on the kid, but... still.

Mm... yeah, meltdown is more a tug of war map instead of AoS, I guess, now that I actually think about it instead of just watch the pretty flashing colors.

I swear, one of these days map design of this sort is going to advance beyond around '03 or so, but that day is not this day.

... though yeah, those are definitely FPS AoS and tug of war maps, not just an FPS game with AoS or ToW elements. Win condition and basically everything is entirely based around stuff that isn't shooting other players. It just has your average shooter pacing instead of your average RTS pacing, heh.

Which is well and good, honestly. It's nice to see someone at least bypassing the engine limitations of old Warcraft 3 maps, and the WASD/aiming/etc. is much more smooth than what WC3 managed :V