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Well, they wouldn't, obviously enough, but just because they don't need it doesn't mean they wouldn't like it. Who doesn't like getting paid extra for something you were going to do anyway?

Also there's totally legal ways to get dosh that don't involve potentially prosecutable bribery. Which, uh. Appears to be something like what happened, if you squint at it hard?

... most of the lot really buying into that aren't exactly internet savvy, though, or considering 'net reactions to be terribly relevant (I mean, hell, say "I'm a human" in an appropriate youtube comment and see the reaction; or worse, basically any religion besides christianity). Not a very good point to point to, though yeah, there's definitely those that do. Not something that state-side non-christians are particularly sympathetic to, though, considering how they get treated both on and off line.

Putnam's rather poorly communicated point seems to be that a lot of the christian persecution claims are... somewhat overblown. To say the least. Stateside, at least, that's definitely accurate; christians are still overrepresented in political and business positions, still have a number of special legal/taxation privileges that largely don't extend to non-christians, so on, and so forth. Much of the complaints you see generated are from christians being treated, well. Like everyone else.

There are areas where followers are catching actual persecution, mind, it's just... not in the US, to any degree worth note. Or most places, really. Major stuff of that nature tends to be pretty localized these days for christianity.

Still, was mostly just wondering how pervasive the message is, both in other regions of the US and outside of it. I know the persecution complex is pretty intense in several denominations in the US South East, but I haven't had much direct interaction with ones outside of that, yeah.

Except when it's dry, anyway.

Silly OW, we're not even electing anyone yet :V

Yeah, s'far as I'm aware in most (maybe all, I'unno) states it hasn't been. Should be pretty obvious just by dint of how many smaller businesses and restaurants and whatnot only have a single restroom.

S'actually kinda' amusing that mandating separate male and female facilities is pretty anti-small business, ha. The little guy's important right up until you've got to stomp on a mostly non-existent boogieman in order to screw someone over, I guess~

You're... thinking of the wrong global. GoH is +health, slower aging, and affliction healing. You're thinking of Gift of Nature's Bounty, which is the +income one.

I think the vindictive reaction from Southern states at the end of the reconstruction era all the way up through the civil rights movement suggests that, no, it was not just mainly about economy or states rights.

Eh, I think the point trying to be made is that it wasn't entirely about slavery, and that there were other (arguably substantial, even!) contributing factors.

Which is, like. Okay, I guess? Still pretty safe to say, as you note, that slavery and racism were certainly (somewhat severely) disproportionate contributors. Family being what it is, I can pretty safely pass on word that even a lot of the folks down here that weren't "ferocious proponents of slavery" still had some pretty pointed things to say about the proper place of certain portions of the population, and a significantly cavalier attitude towards what happens to them. North wasn't exactly free of that shit, by any means, but... yeah.

Hmm, but as a folk-wisdom-saying has it, "big things have to start somewhere." Sure, it's unlikely that any given religion will turn into a world-spanning one, but... out of the thousands, since we are seeing a world-spanning religion, one had to be the one.

Eh? We've got like... what, five or six world spanning religions, at least? The abrahamic three's spread around (and the big two of them are both notable in being fractured all to hell, heh), hinduism and buddhism's all over the place, more I'm forgetting. And there's enclaves of dozens more spread out all over the planet, just without a comparable bulk of population behind them. Takes a lot more than being world spanning to be the one, ha. Plenty religions have managed that, at this point. It's been a long time since that took much effort, and christianity certainly didn't manage it much earlier than anyone else did.