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OSG, much of what was killed by god or at its word in the OT were kids. You're going to have a bloody hard time convincing me unborn infants, toddlers, preteens, etc., are evil.

And it's still entirely irreconcilable with love, regardless. If you love someone, you don't correct their poor actions by killing them. Unless you're saying god only loved some people, I guess.

... which, to be fair, is pretty accurate for the OT. Thing was a racist bastard in those texts.

Also no, if you sent me back in time, instead of killing bin ladin I'd, y'know, do the proper ethical thing and help the dude out so he wouldn't consider leading a terrorist organization to be acceptable action. Murdering someone for something they will do is about as goddamn unconscionable an act as you can perform, doubly so when it's within your power to just prevent the future act entirely without, y'know, murder, torture, rape, etc., etc.

It's a godly sort of love. You know, the kinda' that says it only broke one of your legs because you made it angry, instead of both. It only murdered people en masse because it loved them, etc., etc. Or at least loved some of them, and needed to make an example of someone else.

I'm not saying she's not allowed to change her mind on issues, but it's hard not to be cynical when those changes always seem to be politically expedient and apropos of nothing.

Except, of course, as has been noted repeatedly in this thread, the multiple times it wasn't. Don't even particularly care for clinton, but if you're going to slag her at least do it for stuff that doesn't have clear and demonstrated counterexamples. It's not like those don't exist, the lady's made her genuine missteps over the years.

a token president with policy positions that reinforce the status quo of a federal government with all of the failings of big government and none of the benefits.

Man, if these last eight years have been that status quo I can think of a hell of a lot that would be worse.* I'd also seriously question your definition of no benefits, heh, because the damned thing has actually been managing to get some decent shit done over the last near-decade, even in the face of constant attempts to sabotage it.

Also yeah, rol, check that link and the link inside it. Obama's definitely had a great deal of trouble, and didn't exactly meet his original presentatino, but the guy's managed to get a somewhat surprising amount of stuff done.

*Bernie having substantial influence over national level economics would be one of them :V

Love the guy on a lot of the social and general societal safety net stuff, but that economic policy... I couldn't really justify voting for the guy if he had a genuine chance to win. Alright protest vote (and better than the republican candidates regardless, not that that's particularly difficult with their current roster), but as he is I wouldn't particularly want to see him as POTUS. VP, maybe? Especially if he was kept away from said economy on his problem points. Love to see the guy's general ethos gain more traction, just... keep him away from trade.

It's fairly common rhetoric, yes. If you want an easy time of listening to some of it, just tune in to limbaugh for a few hours.*

Incidentally, the current answer to why you'd want to off the conservative politicians in a binary choice of who will live is just because the other side is significantly less politically indebted to complete bugnuts at the moment. That religious right reacharound stopped being fun for a lot of conservatives quite a few years back.

Personally, I wouldn't really want either side to just keel over. Or both sides, even. Voluntarily step down, or better just actually start trying to help people instead of fuck the ones they don't like, sure, but not die. Not most of them, anyway. There's a handful whose policies have killed/crippled/etc. a great number of people who would probably be in front of a firing line in a more perfect world. A more perfect than that one would find some appropriate consequence that doesn't involve killing them, but still.

*Or don't, because why in the name of the seventy hells would voluntarily do that to yourself, but anyway.

... I have to admit, I'm now kinda' curious if you can (or will eventually be able to) off the mayor and just not let the town have a replacement, next build. Anarchy for all?

Hell, that almost sounds like it could be a prerequisite for high level chaos magic rituals or summat like that. Chaos/law spells could change in power based on global city statistics (perhaps plus planar attributes?), with leaderless cities accentuating chaos factors. It'd be a thing.

Ah... huh. Seems to be a bug, there, then -- the overseer's list thing inside the construction window doesn't seem to register available followers. Just kicked up a new earthen king (to make sure I've got mine access), immediately tried to dig a mine (first turn, no tasks assigned to any followers), and no overseers were available. Followers were two scholar types (scribe, mathematician) and a martial (military officer).

Could it be related to how the idle followers thing seems to not be happening? Even turn one with nothing done my idle follower count is 0, despite there being three of the things that have yet to be given orders.

You can build some things without overseers. Farms, quarries, lumber ones... maybe a couple other things. I'm also not quite sure how to get/what an overseer is, yet, though. Currently assuming it's either a specific sort of follower or workers with a specific trait, both of which are fairly random vis a vis getting a hold on.

Hell, if it's less CPU devouring than opengl, it can only be an improvement. It's just a question of whether it is, and whether people are going to actually use it.