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Hey, be careful about giving nature that much credit. It doesn't need no reason against it, it just needs not enough reason against it, where "enough" is highly variable and may be attached to other things that further complicate the process. If we were going by natural morality, we would have kept spousal rape because it was an issue with cohabitation that didn't substantially effect the latter's viability and procreative benefits, or some madness along those lines.

... as to the actual topic, the only thing I'd add by power of a one-time dictatorial fiat would be Amendment Q: "This message will self destruct in 5, 4, 3, 2..." It would go at the bottom of the document, naturally.

If I'm worried? You were the one to ask for compiled statistics on the matter.

Generalized you, since that wasn't clear enough. Hopefully gentle reminder of how someone adjusts for that sort of thing. I'll admit I'm not too terribly worried about what you're talking about, though -- an increase in crime from a specific ethnic group or groups generally doesn't mean a decrease in that crime from other groups, so if other things are holding fairly steady, it's relatively obvious where a substantial amount of the changes are coming from. Again fairly rough, since the uptick in regards to a specific group is probably going to lead to more from everyone else, too, but better at getting an idea of what's going on than a lot of methods. Certainly better than most news sources available to the public, ha.

Also don't really recall asking for compiled statistics, though that would be indeed be significantly preferable. Any that actually has some sort of existent/identifiable source would be fairly nice, so long as it's actually giving the numbers instead of a mess of spinning analysis.

... meta analysis is a thing, scriv. If you're worried about ethnicity being hidden, compare previous years with the current, note immigration rates and unusual changes in crime relative to the population differential, and see what kind of discrepancies show up.* It's far from perfect, but it's probably going to be better then many victim testimonies, which are about as notoriously unreliably as they get and generally freakishly terrible at demonstrating any actual trends. Good for news, sometimes good (or at least best-available) for criminal persecution, bad for country-level (or wider) awareness.

*An example could be made of the germany flyer I linked a bit up -- overall crime rates for the country had increased by ~2%, or ~100k cases, over the 2014 period, but a huge chunk of that was in relation to things like border violations and similar crimes -- almost all of the increase in non-german related suspects were accountable by those. Numbers paint a picture even when the full details aren't there.

It's difficult to get statistics on a wide-scale for this kind of thing, I find. There are sources available in more small-scale terms, though: 'Recent police statistics showed that in the capital city of Oslo, 100 percent of assault rapes between strangers were committed by immigrant, non-Western males. And nine out of 10 of their victims were native Norwegian women.'

... cov, that article is from 2011. The number you're quoting is also entirely unsourced, and focusing on the absolute smallest subset of rape cases. It also appears to be about as much fabrication as fact. Apologies for the fairly obviously biased website, for what it's worth, it was just the first hit that addressed the subject and I really don't give enough of a damn about data half a decade out of date to keep searching. Fairly relevant:

Statistics regarding assault rapists:

The Oslo Police District has given a report of rapes in Oslo in 2010. The report shows that for all types of rape, except assault rape, European perpetrators are in the majority, and they are mostly Norwegian. Assault rapes covers only five identified unique person. These have all a foreign origin. The number is however, so low that it does not provide a basis for drawing conclusions with regard to country of origin. Two of them were very young (under 18) and two had severe psychiatric diagnoses and cannot be regarded as representative of their ethnic culture. It is highlighted in the report that generalizations like “Oslo’s rapists are foreigners”, which have been seen in media, are wrong. The report gives no statistics regarding religion of rapists.”

Yours Sincerely,

Grethe Kleivan

Deputy Director General

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... to the question above it, the natives have still been doing their thing, it's just not really newsworthy. 2015 statistics seem to still be propagating, though you can find stuff on a country as opposed to EU-wide level relatively easier. You might check here, though it seems to be lagging a couple years behind, as statistics are wont to do. Germany has some 2014 numbers in easy formatting here, and you can pop back to the home site to find out more. Been looking at the numbers a bit myself, but I'm still kinda' waiting for the immediate furor to die down some, so I can actually search google without being buried in a thousand tons of nativist panic.

Maybe some of our EU folks know of some good sources for raw data, particularly more recent stuff?

Idle curiosity Dwarfy, doesn't that mean that you must per force believe in some form of deity? Seeing as presumably the universe originated somewhere. Not that there's any scientific way of testing that, I suppose.

Nah. If a deity could appear out of nothing and be the origin of the universe, the universe can appear out of nothing and need no outside originator -- they're roughly equally unprovable in their assumptions, though the latter has less of them. If you're already presupposing the existence of something from nothing or something that "just is" in the form of the deity that creates everything, there's nothing really stopping you from just... not assuming the middleman existed.

Is some hindu branches that manage just fine. Trinitarian christian sects do alright with a few, too. Not very hard at all.

Little belated, but eh, I went to sleep,

The only practical use for the data that I can think of is knowing where and when to evacuate. And monitoring the area for that could be done quite cheaply.

There's also stuff crawling out of it, which is... generally it's a good idea to kill that before it gets too far (a weak one you encounter earlier in the game that got out basically reanimated an entire village of ancient dead into cannibal ghouls just by being in the area), or at least have someone around to tell people further outside there's gribblies coming. Also apparently making advancements in fixing people that get only partially corrupted. And yeah, warning people when a major extrusion is happening. Trying to figure out a way to close Yog-Sothoth's glory hole. All that kind of nice stuff.

And you'd think monitoring it would be cheap, but, well. The borders move. Sometimes slowly, sometimes, "Oh hey, the deathlands were a fortnight's walk away when I went to sleep, now we're completely surrounded in all directions." Things crawl out of it. It basically mutates living things that get stuck in it too long and/or eats/drinks anything that's been corrupted. Monitoring outposts they're currently maintaining have to be built underground and perpetually rebuilt, since, y'know, the geography is mutable and occasionally one of the wings and everything in it turn into virulently rapine cheese or somethin'. Building ones further out would require substantial (but, perhaps, less) resources just 'cause you'd have to have more of them to cover the wider border, and there'd still be the risk the mess decides Tuesday is the day it feels like having a gay ol' flare up and douse a few extra (dozen) miles in soul-devouring hair oil.

Basically, the only non-suicidal course of action is to maintain fairly heavy investment in pretty-close monitoring (and further-out monitoring, too) and what extent of containment (of the non-geography bits of roaming death) is possible. And, well, the land's high-up muckity-mucks are considering... not. And the one that's actually came to the place to check it out has someone managed to live inside one of (well, to be more precise, the only one that hasn't spontaneously exploded and/or disappeared, yet) the in-area monitoring bases for some time without being irrevocably convinced money needs to be thrown at that shit hand over foot because good goddamn, some things you don't just close your eyes and think of home about, y'ken?