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I don't see how, given that, you can say that Christianity is more a religion of violence.

I didn't.

Also, at this point, I'm... tired of trying, at the moment. I'm not muslim, and if you and others want to demonize the religion and by extension its believers, just. Go for it. I've more or less given up. Spread your hate, willfully interpret the text as anti-christians interpret the bible, do whatever.

not even touching the bugnut that has crawled from the depths, but smj, it's right in the name. It's called the Young Men's Christian Association for a reason. It's always been a religious group, if not a distinct denomination.

Nothing worse than that... save doing good and then getting dogpiled by the rest of the map because they can see it :V

I'd probably argue against graphs, m'self. There is a spell for that (Acashic Record -- conj 5, S2, ten pearls, ten range), if you're particularly worried about getting into a dustup...

This is seriously not the fucking place and not the fucking time for this shit, ree, serg.

...wat.

... wait, what are you whatting about? The message, or what prompted it?

Because we do have the medical know-how to let most folks you normally wouldn't think capable of giving birth to give birth. C-section, of course, for most of those, but still. I can't recall if anyone's actually done it yet, and certainly not for a full term, but it's medically possible with just today's technology. Sooner or later it'll probably go from "technically medically feasible" to "actually something we can do pretty easily". Mpreg is in the future of mankind, and it is the present that has impregnated that potentiality with life.

Also yeah, spiders do the whole wall-crawling thing. Above and beyond the food that frequent those altitudes, there's all sorts of nooks and crevices filled with bugs that spiders like to crawl into, up there.

Reports on casualties are all over the place at th'mo. No one seems to know what's going on, quite yet, and shit's still going down. Probably won't get all puzzled out for a few days, at the least, really...

Not really all that much biblical support for free will, td1

In any case, I'd probably say not to read too much into the story. All it really was was a mythological explanation of why there's multiple languages, conceived by a people that didn't believe it could happen naturally and did believe that god was a complete dick (but should be followed lest you get dicked by it).

As to the quote:

Now the whole world had one language and a common speech. 2 As people moved eastward,[a] they found a plain in Shinar[b and settled there.

3 They said to each other, “Come, let’s make bricks and bake them thoroughly.” They used brick instead of stone, and tar for mortar. 4 Then they said, “Come, let us build ourselves a city, with a tower that reaches to the heavens, so that we may make a name for ourselves; otherwise we will be scattered over the face of the whole earth.”

5 But the Lord came down to see the city and the tower the people were building. 6 The Lord said, “If as one people speaking the same language they have begun to do this, then nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them. 7 Come, let us go down and confuse their language so they will not understand each other.”

8 So the Lord scattered them from there over all the earth, and they stopped building the city. 9 That is why it was called Babel[c]—because there the Lord confused the language of the whole world. From there the Lord scattered them over the face of the whole earth.

Ninja'd a bit, but whatev'.

The specific line you're looking for is

Then they said, “Come, let us build ourselves a city, with a tower that reaches to the heavens, so that we may make a name for ourselves; otherwise we will be scattered over the face of the whole earth.”

It says it right there -- the reason they were doing it and making a name for themselves was to prevent their people from being scattered across the whole of the earth. It wasn't pride, it wasn't trying to reach the heavens for poke the eye of god or anything like that, it was just so that mankind would maintain solidarity and not become less than they could be.

That fails for the same reason as "children cannot be successors": certainly, the dictator-for-life might agree to that when they take office--they may even mean it--but once they've actually got eligible children? Hah, right.

Dictators that refuse to feed their children to hungry lions will be fed to hungry lions. Any dictatorial conundrum may be solved with sufficient application of lions.

Admittedly, it may be that the lion feeding bureau would ultimately be the true ruler of the nation, but I think I could be convinced that allowing an organization dedicated to feeding people to lions to rule from the shadows is a good idea.