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I'd love to have a place where I could talk about how I visited Church during that beer festival I went to, but here I think it'd just get buried in the usual sort of commentary...
Folks would probably comment on it if it were brought up for comment, and from what I recall all of the similar recollections that have come up previously weren't buried. Be the change you want to see in the thread :P

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So basically what you're saying is that the areligious folks here argue against a type of Christianity that is almost completely absent here?
No? Just trying to help you understand why folks bring up the subjects like they do (regular exposure, to a fair degree), and why they don't talk terribly much about the more moderate stuff (not really all that much to talk about, heh). Then there's TD1's point.

You'll also note it's not exactly absent, here, and the position is being (and has been) brought up pretty regularly in conversation by believers of varying degrees, not just other folks. S'also not like there's no conversation to be had talking to believers that aren't literalists re: how they reconcile their beliefs with the other sets of interpretation.

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*And really not that common around the world either. Hell, even the Vatican accepts historical criticism as a valid theological tool!
Vatican's a long way from the states (where a good chunk of the catholic population outright rejects the vatican's authority), and pretty distant from africa and south america, too, where most of the christian populations are, heh. It's really damn common, just less so in (parts of) europe.

Like I said, from what I understand it's worse in SA and Africa than it is in the US, and in the US there's a lot of places you keep your mouth shut if you're not at least willing to act like a biblical literalist. Fair number of areas in this world where claiming the bible's a guideline in any sense or criticizing it in any way is a good way to get yourself socially ostracized (in the "good luck finding a job" sense), at best.

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I think this is a vital point that many here are missing: There is supposed to be a direct connection between God and each believer, so everyone has a sort of innate understanding of God's will.
I don't think many here are missing it, exactly. They just regularly interact with people for whom
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The law as it is written is just a sort of guideline, to help people understand more clearly.
is believed to be untrue, and the law as written is considered absolute.

Honestly, most folks I've encountered (religious or otherwise) that have thought more than two seconds on the subject are well aware that there's a fair amount of folks out there that do consider the biblical laws to be guidelines and whatnot. It's just they're either broadly unconcerned about those sorts (some of the religious, most of the otherwise) or think they're going to burn in hell for not following the bible explicitly (many of the religious).

S'one of the things I think you lot that deal with a lot of the more moderate christians have trouble really wrapping your head around -- there are some very strident believers out there that would probably drag you into an alley and beat the shit out of you for saying the bible isn't strictly literal, if they thought they could get away with it. Even if you claimed to be christian yourself. And they're not in exactly small numbers in a lot of places in the world.

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Other Games / Re: SALES Thread
« on: November 07, 2015, 02:43:48 pm »
... looks like the Spellforce games are going for about 3 USD for everything (95% off if you get the whole bundle) over on steam, for another 46 hours or so. That... might actually be an alright price for 'em. Not the most amazing games the world's ever seen, but they're probably worth three bucks.

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Oh, the general impression I get from followers in my region/theology in general is that the dead ones might have been alright. Maybe (iirc, there's the line that they still would have had to renounce their old beliefs and embrace the new ones, just in the afterlife). But the rest? Not so much. Previous piety and adherence (to what, so far as you knew, was divine and unchanging commandment) becomes as ash. Get with the new program or get stuffed. Didn't know the new program was a thing? Think it might be a trick from the adversary (which is understandable, considering the entity in question explicitly sends things out to do that to people)? Get stuffed anyway.

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Hmm, why particularly do you think it's terrifying?
It means the rules -- that you're relying on to obtain salvation -- changed. Which means that they can change again. Sure, you've got assurances that it won't... but so did the believers in the old covenant. When it's about something as fundamentally important (to the folks in question, anyway) as the path to heaven, the fact that that path can change is something I think it would be reasonable to call just a titch worrying :P

What I understand, most that even consider that say they trust God not to deceive them or change the rules suddenly, but the bible ascribing what it does to the entity in question, that's... not something I'd call particularly assured, heh.

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I'm certainly a heretic for multiple reasons, at least according to the Roman Catholic Church :P
And something like 90% of protestant churches, heh. Probably like your version better than many, Arx, but I'm afraid you're definitely a radical that holds beliefs that are both significantly different from and strongly in contention with most christian believers (at least stateside ones, at the very least, though from what I understand it would be even worse in the growing areas). You probably would have been lynched or burnt to death if you were lucky a century or two ago :P

-God's commandments cannot change because that would imply that God had changed his mind, if God changes his mind it exposes God as not omniscient, which we know must be impossible since God's word is perfect.
Not even remotely -- the new covenant should make that blatantly clear. The commandments are perfectly capable of changing, just as God's laws towards mankind can and have (and why the whole new covenant thing doesn't terrify the hell out of a lot of believers is something I have trouble wrapping my head around, some days) -- that doesn't mean its mind has changed, just that the time has come for a different part of its plan to be expressed.

Because we haven't had any big-time prophets in a thousand and a bit years.
Plenty of disagreements there, heh, and going by biblical history (OT and its gaggle of prophets) it's significantly likely we actually have had at least a few big-time prophets, they've just been ignored or suppressed. You could probably tack on some half-mad rambling about the devil or heathens to that observation.

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... if it's a disciples game, I would totally make the probably terrible decision of joining in. Not sure about allowing the player choice, though... maybe the option of a collective mulligan? Once the nations are genned, everyone can take a gander and then we can all vote for/against a reroll. Just one, mind, but one.

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General Discussion / Re: Why Has No One Modularized Consoles?
« on: November 06, 2015, 11:09:18 pm »
Why buy a new $600+ box every few years, when you can buy the $200 box and apply smaller upgrades as needed?
Why sell a $200 dollar box that can be upgraded incrementally when you can convince your market to buy a $600+ one every few years? That sounds a lot like reduced profits, to me. You'd have to convince them to buy at least $400+ worth of supplemental hardware every development cycle just to break even. Rather imagine it's significantly easier to... not do that.

PC may have lost that race before it began (though there's definitely folks trying to "correct" that, with machines that can't be opened without voiding warranty or breaking something, or can barely or not at all be upgraded), but I can't see where the benefit for the console makers is to adopt a practice that would almost certainly lose them (probably significant amounts of) money.

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General Discussion / Re: I like anime, do you like anime?
« on: November 06, 2015, 10:24:17 pm »
That's not SRW with magical girls.
Hey, there's that series of touhou SRW-style games. Fantasy Maiden Wars, checking on it. Not quite magical girl of the transforming sort, and only the first one's been translated, but it does involve a lot of girls and girl-shaped things using magic to blow each other up.

S'also Battle Moon Wars (i.e. the nasuverse one), which is again not quite MG of the normal sort, but there are girls what does the magic to murder each other in a SRW-like game system.

Probably more, but those are the only two I can recall at the moment, heh.

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*shrugs* I haven't really felt like trying, and I think hobina got... distracted.

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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« on: November 06, 2015, 10:26:07 am »
Considering the state and nature of the practice, I rather imagine the answer would be, "Whatever they feel like finding that day" :P

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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« on: November 06, 2015, 09:46:14 am »
You know it's time to wake up when the little old lady across the street tries to genderbend the shota with a self-moving steampunk purse. The purse ate the kid and crossdressed it before he could claw his way out, and was starting to do more.

There were nails involved in that more, and an extended scene of someone pulling nails out of their flesh is decidedly unpleasant. What the hell, dreambrain. Things were going amazingly before that. You had grand adventurer Leibniz as a philosopher/composer showing me musical scores and writings on a computer tablet and telling me of his adventures (there were shipwrecked madmen and vat-grown monstrosities, damnit!), and then you segued into what amounted to body horror and perverted geriatric neighbors trying to accomplish non-consensual genderflipping with cogwork and cloth.

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Painting a cat would be pretty funny though.
It's not as amusing as you'd think, especially if you're trying to avoid poisoning the cat. You'd think a green cat rolling around would be hilarious, but the novelty wears off before the discoloration does.

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Clearly the cat has volunteered.

Paint the cat.

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