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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« on: October 01, 2015, 07:21:41 pm »
Eh, if there's still internet to be had there's probably still time to run screaming into the hills if it's appropriate to do so.

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General Discussion / Re: I like anime, do you like anime?
« on: October 01, 2015, 06:55:43 pm »
... definitely regional, then. Either that or I've been paying even less attention than normal lately. Which isn't impossible. Do get out occasionally, though, and I haven't really noticed... any of that. Certainly wasn't happening when I was on campus regularly last year.

I could see the "acceptable" age group for indulging having gone up a bit, though, maybe. Just... really nothing beyond that, barring maybe some temporary stuff related to movies or whatev'.

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General Discussion / Re: Sheb's European Megathread: Remove Feta!
« on: October 01, 2015, 06:44:17 pm »
Or show them life without Islam on their own soil. That's what missionaries were doing for past few hundred years, didin't they?
Not even remotely.

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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« on: October 01, 2015, 06:01:14 pm »
Pretty sure desc was there, so it's been within the last four years. If I remembered more specifically than that I'd just go and check :V

Also I don't think you weren't invited, you just didn't show up.

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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« on: October 01, 2015, 05:45:11 pm »
Anyone remember what cake was innuendo for, when we started assigning confectioneries to sexual acts? Maybe the other ones, too. I've forgotten, and I'd like to know exactly what I'd be insinuating if I went and ate some of the apple pie in the other room.

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General Discussion / Re: I like anime, do you like anime?
« on: October 01, 2015, 05:42:03 pm »
'bout the only thing that approached it for me was bits of Shakespeare, and that was mostly because they were at least amusing in places, even if everyone was dying and fondling skulls.

E: Incidentally, some of the eastern adaptations of shakespeare are freaking amazing. Bishi horatio with cornrolls is something I will hopefully never forget. I have seen him and hamlet the blonde debonair team up to fight frost trolls. It wasn't the best of things, but it was pretty damn close. Then there's the actual series and whatnot based off 'em. Pretty sure there's a fairly well received sci-fi reimaging of... one of the plays, a ways back? Want to say it was based off Romeo and Juliet?

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Wrap it in a towel, hit it with a sledgehammer a few times.
Pretty sure you can also do this with duct tape or whathaveyou, if you don't want to deal with picking electronic bits out of a towel or tossing one out. Wrap it in a layer or two of tape, then smash. Similarly few flying bitsies, less cleanup.

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General Discussion / Re: I like anime, do you like anime?
« on: October 01, 2015, 05:20:03 pm »
I blame classical literature, I think. There's this odd undercurrent of belief that seems to originate from there that can mostly be summed up as "western culture doesn't think something is worthy unless it makes you feel like shit, at least a little". So you've got to have people getting hurt or suffering or whatev' to be acknowledged as meaningful and worth not being dismissed as crap and/or childish.

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General Discussion / Re: I like anime, do you like anime?
« on: October 01, 2015, 04:48:43 pm »
... if you're a kid, maybe? Beyond that it catches some flak, in my experience, and it's not really accepted outside some pretty limited demographics and situations. You may see people wearing superman shirts of whathaveyou, but it's pretty likely it's been years since they've read any of the comics or watched any of the other media, if they ever did to begin with. It may indeed be regional, though. Manga and comic book perusal and paraphernalia in public is roughly even in the area I'm in (which is to say, pretty rare and sometimes mocked), maybe a little bit less so since the advent of easier-to-conceal tablets and phones and whatnot.

Similarly, in non-dedicated book stores (Barnes & Nobles, etc.) the manga and comic book sections are usually about the same size (and in the same place, sometimes on the same shelves, with no meaningful attempt to distinguish the two and often bridging works -- stuff that could fit in either category -- included) from what I've seen.

Oddly enough, I've actually heard manga et al talked about (both inside and outside of private venues) more than comic books in my lifetime, even if more people definitely recognize more characters and whatnot from the latter, and usually with a fair amount more credit given to the former. The comic scene in the US seems to actually be regarded as more one-dimensional and less mature than the manga one, even given how lewd a lot of the stuff that gets translated is, and at least equally associated with the proverbial man-child and/or puerile interests. S'gotten better live actions in recent history by a long shot, but that's about its only point in favor from what I've noticed on the streets beyond base exposure. Accepted in a general sense isn't really the word I'd use for it.

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General Discussion / Re: I like anime, do you like anime?
« on: October 01, 2015, 03:51:10 pm »
When did comic books start becoming accepted? After Batman Begins and The Dark Knight brought a more serious face forward on comic book heroes.
... since when did comic books actually get accepted to any substantial degree? Hell, last I paid something approaching attention to it, most layfolk (so to speak) just lump them and manga together under the same umbrella of stuff...

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Apparently grak, seeing as they lack evidence of the O. Not even getting into the rest of that conversation, given it's as a rule just as bad from that angle, but that's a good segue to say what needed to be said.

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General Discussion / Re: I like anime, do you like anime?
« on: October 01, 2015, 09:14:14 am »
I was being sorta facetious there. The real answer, I suspect, is partially that, and partially down to how a lot of the ecchi series double as the shitty faceless SI protagonist series. It's probably as much about imagining themselves in that situation as anything else, for much the same reason as why shitty SI adventure series are so popular.
... to be honest, I'm pretty sure it's not that. Mostly because I've frankly never actually seen people react to series that way, despite folks saying it's some kind of weirdly common thing. Seems to be more something people that don't enjoy the works and can't particularly comprehend the appeal say to denigrate the people enjoying it, really. Shitty SI adventure series tend to be common because people enjoy writing them more than reading them, just as one particular counterpoint, in my experience, and silent/low impact protagonists in general allow the writers to focus on other characters.

If you're looking for actual differences, there's a fair number of them. Ecchi series actually end up multivolume fairly often, whereas similarly structured porn (i.e. drawn or animated hentai) does only very, very, very rarely. Even larger porn works (OVA series, the tanks and whatnot) often don't even go the entire bit of a single volume/episode (especially with drawn stuff) focusing on the same story/world. Even if it's shallow, there's almost always significantly more character and plot investment with the non-straight up porn stuff, and that actually does draw people (see comparative live action with its 1001 interchangeable daytime dramas that also include plenty of endless teasing and softcore porn). There's the occasional bit of exception in the world of porn (which often makes for some of the best porn, at that), but it's not even remotely common.

Due to the fact that it's not straight up porn, the general structure and writing flow are also generally pretty different -- you have more humor, more slice of life, more etc. The supporting bits of lascivious works get more screen time they don't get in porn because in porn 50+% of the work is dedicated to people actually fucking. Even if 50%+ of a lewd non-porn work is dedicated to fanservice, it still is almost always significantly less metaphorical real estate consuming than screwing. The focus is pulled back a bit, which allows other things to get in the picture, often stuff people also enjoy. Sure, it's still often what amounts to softcore porn, but there's plenty of reasons that people with cheerful access to vast swaths of explicit stuff still consume the less explicit stuff.

'Nother big part of it is that most of the particularly popular ecchi series are... actually not that bad. They're not "terrible". Usually not the most amazing thing to grace the earth, no, but people that are fond of these works do actually have something of a degree of ability to discern quality. The works tend to be pretty shallow, but a lot of time that's not actually a necessarily bad thing. Sometimes people just want something fairly straightforward and/or focused -- see basically every action movie ever, ferex. But with the series actually mentioned... I spoke on musume a bit back, and as I noted I'd call it pretty damn competently done. DxD actually has fairly interesting worldbuilding and occasionally pretty neat bits of writing/character interaction/etc. -- there's a reason it's been generating a surprising amount of damn solid fanfiction, and it's not just the busty exhibitionist redhead and assorted other half to un-clothed characters.

Other things have other draws -- I'd fight the person that said Sora no Otoshimono was shit, ferex, because it's up there on my list of goddamn amazing manga despite (because, to an extent) having large tracts of its land dedicated to large tracts of land. Shinmai Maou no Keiyakusha, one of the recent-ish ones that is particularly egregious on the lewd front, I'd still call pretty enjoyable mostly for the art (and not even the explicitly fanservice part of it -- the succubus makes some amazing faces) and character design, even if much of the rest of it is kinda' wonky. Nana to Kaoru is the fluffiest borderline-explicit BDSM fiction I think I've ever seen. People around here seem to enjoy GATE, and that's fanservicey as goddamn, and often in ways twice as squicky as stuff like freaking prisma illya, which at least doesn't go out of its way to marry its loli-baiting to bloody mass murder. There's just a list that keeps on going. You have to be pretty much explicitly blinding yourself to denigrate the fact that a fair amount of these "terrible ecchi" (i.e. fanservice heavy) series actually have a pretty damn large bit of merit behind them -- oftentimes in fairly specific areas, but still.

I could probably keep going, but really, what it breaks down to, as ree intimated, is that people can actually enjoy differently focused stuff for different reasons, and that enjoyment can actually be pretty legitimate. They don't usually have one or two specific interests that consume the vast amount of their decision making process, and can appreciate different facets of a work to different degrees.

... also, totally ended up writing more than I expected to, there. Oh well.

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General Discussion / Re: I like anime, do you like anime?
« on: October 01, 2015, 01:21:56 am »
Not... really? People just like porny stuff, kinda' in general. Most folks, it seems to more or less be a plus, even if a fair amount won't really admit it. Lewd stuff just taps into the same market that makes straight up porn one of the highest grossing entertainment markets in the world, even with the massively huge amount of free stuff floating around.

More seriously, if my own experience with anime has been any indication, most of the folks fitting that creepy otaku stereotype definitely aren't buying anime off amazon or generating stats for nytime's bestselling lists, heh. They're acquiring their fix through other venues.

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General Discussion / Re: Hurricane Joaquin: IT GONNA RAIN
« on: October 01, 2015, 01:14:18 am »
This is why I live in a place with no hurricanes, guys. Sure, we get rain, but it's in moderation.
No, no... the smaller ones can be nice. If it avoids kicking up tornadoes and embedding pine straw in brick buildings and whatnot, it's mostly just a proper storm, the likes of which you don't really get to see otherwise. Red skies and birds going the opposite direction they're pointing brings back memories of vaguely fond nostalgia. Pretty sure that was opal. Helps a bit I've always been a bit inland, but eh.

... though, on the other hand, extended power outages are a lot more annoying these days. Properly addicted to the internet at this point, wasn't back then.

And ouch, RK. Y'got somewhere else to go to until it blows over? Being in a flood plain type area is one of the places you really don't want to be during a particularly heavy rain hurricane. Hope y'got proper home owners insurance...

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General Discussion / Re: Hurricane Joaquin: IT GONNA RAIN
« on: October 01, 2015, 12:47:24 am »
*looks at the projected path* Uh. Huh. Not looking like it's going to hit florida at all, huh.

... seriously, it's gotten to point I'm vaguely unsettled. I can't recall a major hurricane making landfall since... a while back. Years. Looks like we haven't had double digit casualties to any one storm since freaking katrina in '05, and apparently no notably damaging onces since wilma in the same year. S'bloody unnatural in any case. Always end up spending part of the year waiting for the hammer to drop, because if the weather's been this placid for this long, whatever it brings to bear next is just going to sink the goddamn swamp in one go or some crazy shit like that. Maybe pick it up and drop it on kansas or somethin'.

Guess that explains where some of the rain's coming from, anyway. Well, uh. Good luck, folks further north? If it's only going to hit cat four, y'all'll probably be a'ight. Just don't do stupid things and maybe scoot out of valleys and landslide prone areas for a few days. Think you lot actually have to worry about that with your fancy mountains an'crap. Maybe you'll get to see birds flying in reverse! That's always good for a laugh.

E: Then again, it looks like most of the ones I've lived through were just cat 3s. Did weather the cat 5 when I was a preteen, but the cat four that came later hit too far south to really do anything to my area. Eh. Still, is just hurricane. Stay not stupid, get out of flood plains/get on hills, avoid places you should avoid, etc., etc. They're pretty great, massive infrastructure damage and occasional casualties aside.

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