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General Discussion / Re: American Election Megathread- Voting Trump/Wallace in '168
« on: September 29, 2015, 11:05:24 am »It does not follow that the US is the cause (or even a cause) of the mess every single time.Of course it doesn't! It does, however, follow that the results of US intervention beyond the most passive of involvement (and sometimes even with that little) in the area has been pretty unilaterally screwups that lead to more screwups just about every time we've been there since the bloody cold war. US poking our nose or putting feet on the ground in that region has nearly without fail made things worse for something like the last half century or more. Given the sheer consistency of that, it's incredibly likely that another attempt would have the same bloody effect.
Also, no, I don't assume there's some master plan, I assume (based on heaping mountains of evidence and even more heaping mountains of corpses) that going over there leads to the situation getting worse for the area either immediately or fairly soon thereafter, and that going over there with the intent of trying to fix things isn't, just like it pretty unilaterally hasn't even incrementally fixed things in the past. Our track record in the middle east is poor to the point you can just about assume malicious intent (or incompetence indiscernible from malice) if we're trying anything substantial.