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S'over (for now, anyway), but bloody hell the storm that hit today. Haven't seen thunder like that in this area in a long, long time -- hard enough and heavy enough the house was literally shaking at points, and about half the time I was having trouble telling if it was thunder or a bloody tornado coming down. Sustained peals that lasted like, twenty, thirty seconds at times, it was faintly ridiculous. Oddly enough, it wasn't really raining that hard, either -- still pretty hard, but not unusually so. Just hella' thunder and fairly strong winds.

Pretty damned impressive, just somewhat hard to enjoy due to the whole couldn't-tell-if-tornado bit. Weather be intensifyin'...

E: Ooh, checked the feeds now that the power's back. There's no less than eight varied warnings or watchings by the NWS about either severe weather or severe thunderstorms. Seems appropriate :V

In a moment of what can only be described as incidental celestial hilarity, the exact minute the release time hit, the power in my town blew out. 12 noon on the dot, for this time zone. S'back up after an hour and change, but... still.

Now to download the patch and get this thing running.

... right. Except the intent on the part of the victim is often, you know, not that. And the passage makes no particular distinction, and is also fairly explicit it is the screaming they're hinging whether or not they stone the rape victim to death on.

I mean, there's other bits in that passage that are probably worse. Married women have no recourse at all, they just get stoned to death with whoever they're found in bed with, rape or not *shrugs*

E: There's also the bit where the counterpart verse explicitly involved rape, not just extramarital shenanigans. Would seem to point against that interpretation, wouldn't it?

Assuming you are right, though I don't recall any such belief being expressed, it still means he finds it acceptable in at least some contexts.

And that is horrible.

The bible does have condemnations against rape, such as in Deuteronomy 22:25 (though just before that, the same passage* says that if a woman (well, only a virgin promised to be married, and only if they're in town) is raped, but does not scream out, she is to be stoned to death along with the rapist, so...), among others. Though the cursory searching had some trouble finding any blanket condemnations... just stuff like in Deuteronomy. Old Testament's really not the most assuring of sources on the subject, and from what I understand the NT is pretty mum on it -- probably bundled the act under sexual immorality and/or adultery in general, but without much in the way of explicit statement in the face of the OT's bits, it's somewhat hard to tell.

*To say nothing of Deuteronomy 21, which...

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But yeah, probably the biggest problem regarding the issue and the bible is that the bible's treatment of the subject is significantly more nuanced than it bloody should be (especially to anything approaching modern sensibilities regarding the act), and then there's passages like the ones I mentioned above that are just kinda' beyond the pale. The bible only sorta' says that rape is wrong, mostly excuses it under some circumstances, and has god explicitly use the act as part of its plans. It runs pretty hard into the whole "Do as I say, not as I do" thing, except even then it's not so much "As I say" as "As your best interpretation of what I say can be, while ignoring the uncomfortable bits".

Even then, that's only one category of act among many. The many acts of mass murder of children always bothered me a bit more, personally...

... so there's achievements on steam now. They... may include some spoilers. Just a few.

E: There's also apparently folks that got in early. Seems like there's a few 1.3 streams running right now :V

Quote from: Rolan7 on June 29, 2015, 11:09:26 am

Kids were required to recite it in schools, possibly they still are?

not in most states, no

Unless things have changed, though, it's still recited in school with regularity, it's just not mandatory and a kid can't get in (legal, anyway) trouble if they don't join in, or leave parts out. And they are required to sit through it while everyone else doles it out -- you can't really leave the classroom in protest or somethin'. Recitation of the pledge is also very much common to a lot of group events in the US. The pledge is still really damn pervasive, especially around pre-adults.

... of the two, FO3. Crypt's got a very nice gimmick, from what I understand, but it's not really as good a game as Fallout, even the newer ones. Also much shorter, which may or may not be a negative.

Do take some time to check the under 10, under 5 stuff, though. You might find a few lower priced stuff you'd rather get instead :V

Praise the omnissiah and pass the sanctified oils, gonna' fork myself until Is can populate a small nation. Or will, if the capability comes around in my lifetime and is sufficiently available.