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... I'd kinda' count this latest bush, really. Dude presided over a lot of what were pretty objectively screwups. Before that... I can't really remember much before bush senior, so I couldn't really say.

And for the people that don't know what mainiac is referencing...

... on the other hand, I am now morbidly curious how they would handle gratuitous glowing nudity form Terra.

Though it looks like dissidia already did that. Hrm. And are apparently coming out with a higher resolution one fairly soon. Neat(?).

Now I know, anyway.

... wouldn't most of the high up muckity mucks in the imperium be up to their ears in suffering, or at least able to without much trouble?

More seriously, you could consider frying them. Fried green tomatoes are well loved, and I guess it doesn't make much of a difference if they're red? Don't actually know, don't eat much in the way of tomato.

No clue how to cook fried tomatoes, though. Google probably knows, ha.

I got Avernum II the Pit, I think, after reading about how deep it was....

I made it about 20 minutes before deciding that it was either a) way too old for me now or b) being talked up as being way better than it actually was.

Could be both, though that would have been the first one, not II, probably -- the second one didn't come out until earlier this year. They're not the most incredibly deep pieces of game design, mechanically (though they do alright -- what I'd call about mid-tier in complexity and whatnot), and the story is solid but not mind-blowing or anything. Most of spiderweb's stuff is solid but not top-tier. Something you turn to after you've done the bigger names in the isometric RPG business.

The geneforge stuff is arguably more developed in regards to writing... greater attempts at ethical choices and whatnot, generally a twistier world. The avernum/exile stuff is mostly pretty straightforward adventure romps, set in a fairly interesting setting. They're nice stuff. Not amazing, but nice.

I'd... personally, actually disagree that this remake isn't worth it. The UI, quality of life, etc., changes between the originals and these latest remakes are immense. I actually have the original exile/avernum stuff, and at this point they're bloody close to unplayable -- things are so clunky, especially in comparison, that you just about spend more time wrestling with the controls and whatnot that you do playing (which is why I never actually got very far into them, compared to Escape from the Pit, which I've almost completely finished). These latest ones, on the other hand, are massively more smooth and significantly less painful to play. It's a makeover that really is pretty close to worth what the price tag is. I think it'll not be 'till avernum 4 or 5 I'd actually stop recommending these reworks -- it's around that point the UI starts maturing enough the difference really isn't that significant, imo. But the first few... definitely. The difference is like night and day.

Definitely an accurate statement that it'd probably be a better idea to just get the lot of 'em, though. The later geneforge and avernum stuff is almost as playable as these latest work overs.