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Uh, it's still force intended to hurt, damage, or kill someone or something. Just (sometimes) less immediate than a fist to the face. Using your resources to disenfranchise, make homeless/poor/etc., and so on, is definitely in the same sort of category hiring a couple of chums to break someone's kneecaps, and oft times considerably more effective at causing harm. The existing word with strong connotations is used because the connotations in question are exactly what's happening with the situation being considered.

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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« on: April 07, 2015, 08:06:34 pm »
The chase is better than the catch, as they say. What you're talking about isn't uncommon.

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Other Games / Re: Tome 4: Tales of Maj'Eyal
« on: April 07, 2015, 08:03:06 pm »
... willpower wyrmics have been a solid thing since at least mindstars came around >_>

You still probably have strength as your second stat to boost up the breaths, but most of their junk scales of mindpower to some extent so a will build's always been pretty tasty.

... mind you, wyrmics have mostly always built str/will 'cause that's what their everything scales off anyway, so, uh. Caster wyrmics (i.e. mpower build) have usually been more a playstyle/kit thing than an actual stat redistribution thing, iirc?

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... I guess that would make corporations demi-gods?

"Heracles Inc. is now in business! Excuse us while we beat our subordinate companies to death in a fit of unthinking rage. Twelve decades of fines, coming right up!"

Seriously though, it's not so much specific governments as collective action in general. Most of the things attributed to gods are things we as a species are either capable of, will be in relatively short order, or are actively doing. Floods, plagues? Victory in war, great constructions? Near every miracle -- and definitely every miracle worth note -- is something mankind has already done, and what few aren't are within our technical capability either now or in the near future. And barring disaster, our capability to do so (technology, methodology, etc.) will remain indefinitely. Power, immortality (or at least immune to aging), right there.

It'd just be really expensive and kinda' pointless to turn someone in to a pillar of salt or somethin'. We could do it, via tiny machines or whatev',* there's just no reason to, 'cause it's stupid and cruel and wasteful and etc. The good stuff like small-scale geo-engineering, restoring sight to the blind, limbs to crippled, the dead to life, we already do (to varying degrees of effectiveness. Getting better on all fronts, though!).

*We might even be able to do it pretty quickly if you consider "turn in to" to be "spatially replace and render the former matter nonexistent". Just have to figure out how to shoot a lot of salt at someone really fast, which we could probably manage.

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I'm sure tapeworms are very interesting if you study them.
Maybe but they aren't exactly indicative of a human-centered universe :P
Leprosy would be, though! It completely adapted to being human-only, like, a few million years back or somethin'. Been parasiting on humans so long it literally can't effect other stuff anymore (though it'll ride on a few things, iirc.).

... as for the morality thing, "An' it harm none, do what you will" is more or less the foundation of my moral theory -- I evaluate good or bad on a personal level by whether and to what degree it causes harm. If it doesn't, I give literally zero damns. If it does no more harm than other, generally accepted actions, damns equally not given. And the harm actually has to be observable and communicable (at least theoretically, if nothing else). Which is to say I don't really get along very well with most religion based morality :V

Is where about a quarter of the irreligion comes from. It's hard to convince me something is wrong without showing me how it's wrong, and if all the negatives have been ground under the dust by several centuries of scientific and medical advances, well. Eat pigs, we've fixed the issues there as much as we have with most any meat. Sodomize anything that's willing, medical science has fixed potential medical issues, there. Wear mixed fabrics, we don't need bullshit tribal markers anymore. Etc., so forth, so on. Maybe hold off on the slavery and killing and whatnot, though. Keep the good stuff! Just... not the rest.

Metaphysics and whatnot, well, I think they're pretty. Really pretty. Also mostly (not entirely, but mostly) useless -- the exact nature of the universe is mostly irrelevant, since we're entirely limited by physical constraints (which may or may not be an illusion, but there's no way of actually telling and how you should act in any given situation is completely uneffected by whether it is or isn't, so...) in how we observe and interact with whatever's there.

A world with or without gods appears the same to us. With or without souls, with or without an actual physical reality, with or without an afterlife or reincarnation, with or without objective morality, or free will, or whatever. The list just kind of spreads on into comprehensiveness. Metaphysics is important and useful strictly to the extent it influences actual action.

Which, to be fair, is not an entirely unnotable amount -- as one of my professors liked to say, "metaphysics precedes ethics." The structure of the latter will be mostly determined by the structure of the former. BS like the just world nonsense a lot of religious theologies encourage would be an example of a negative effect. Stuff like charitable giving/good works and whatnot would be an example of a positive! Just wish more joints in the states actually did that charitably instead of janking it right back into the churches.

Totes okay with giving jackass computers a sense of humor with a me-clone, though. Continuity would be nice, but an infinite chain of frumples going on into perpetuity would be pretty alright, too, even if the first one is dead and gone. Also forks. Forking frumples everywhere. Millions of forked mes, doing all the things a forking horde can. If the future is forking forever, I would be as happy as a forked frumple can be.

A question for the atheists: If you had the option of an afterlife, would you take it?
I would, actually. It would give the potential of enacting revenge upon the divine for the millions of years of suffering their shoddy engineering has inflicted on my species. If an eternity of torture meant just one chance to stab a bastard responsible for the state of the world in their equivalent to an eye, I'd take it. That's worth it, to me.

I don't think an afterlife exists, and I think if it did, it would make no difference to how I should act while living (at least without a means of intercommunication, anyway). But I hope it does, because I've got a list of conceptual entities in the back of my head I want to spend an eternity kicking in their equivalent of reproductive organs. One kick for every ill they've allowed fall upon my people.

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Yeah, when chest was mentioned I thought it was talking about the covenant one, which is generally described more or less as a chest, as opposed to the noah one which is, well. Generally considered a boat. Was way too soon after waking up to consider actually checking to see if the specs matched.

I guess if you were going full ham the noah box-ark could be a gigantic sperm bank type thing. Frozen fertilized eggs or somethin'. That'd fit things better, perhaps, size wise. And if it was run off biodiesel type stuff, it would even allow for the all-vegetarian thing -- technically they would be sustained by plant matter :V

More likely it was silly people describing what they considered a big boat while not actually having any idea about how to build a boat nor the extent of existent species. 22x130x13 would be the equivalent of holding your hands really wide and going, "Thiiiiis big!" Like with fish.

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Not that ark. The other ark. The floaty one.

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How would arks mate though?

And think about the consequences of making that movie - what will the shipping look like? :P
As OW mentioned obliquely, kancolle has most of the answer your questions. Kancolle's copious amounts of porn has the remainder :V

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How did viruses photosynthesize when they're literally smaller than the cell structures used for photosynthesis?
The wizard did it, poh. When you're dealing with young-earth creationism and flood geology, that's literally the entire answer. God did it, real geology can get buggered, etc., etc.

Incidentally, the earliest indications of disease I'm finding mention of was lesions characteristic of TB found on human bones a good 500k years old. Trachoma a "mere" 10k or so. Leprosy's been traced back literally millions of years. Seems to be a nice host of things like that -- disease is way older than judaism, nevermind christianity itself. Completely incompatible with the sub-10k year old world folks, though.

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Faith that's proven is knowledge, no more, no less. The only thing special about religious faith is that its suppositions are entirely unprovable (at least in any way that can be communicated), as opposed to just not-yet-proved or disproved.

A religion that was entirely proven would... still be a religion, I guess. It would just have provable (as opposed to just assumed) metaphysical weight behind it, and probably look significantly different from what current religious organizations look like. If it had any of the weird cruft the current living ones do, it would also cause really massive changes to physics and whatnot, which would be interesting.

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Other Games / Re: Coolest thing you've ever done in a non-DF game.
« on: April 06, 2015, 12:28:11 pm »
Grappled by a giant crab demon while climbing across the ceiling, proceeded to beat it to death with my bare hands, still attached to the ceiling. Felt good.

Incursion, late-game drow priest 3/barbarian X of Zurvash.

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*scratches head* I'm... kinda' doubtful class-hoarded augmentation would actually meaningfully accelerate inequity, to be honest. That's happening just fine as is, and the upper class being more capable, would, uh. Well, I'd imagine it would mostly just cut back on some of the inefficiencies involved, y'know?

Power would continue to consolidate, it would just have a higher ratio of genuine capability behind it instead of mostly being social inertia. I'd wager you'd be less likely to have shit like BP, just because how they operate is freakishly inefficient -- leaner, smarter groups would have the metaphorical processing capability to hit harder, pushing blighters like that to the side.

Guess what I'm saying is I have trouble seeing how cyber Koch will be worse than Koch, y'ken? Just about anything augmentation can provide is already functionally there -- higher intelligence (through acquiring smart people to work for them via money), functional immortality (via financial dynasty building), military capability (mercenaries, political graft)... the rich, particularly the hyper rich, already have all that shit. Being able to punch through a concrete wall or live to a thousand isn't really going to make much of a difference, from that side of things. Hell, the blighters having an arm you can actually rip off instead of doing all their wetwork via patsies would arguably be an improvement...

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I'll definitely say if you can keep yourself in puppets it'll make things a lot easier for the next twenty levels at a minimum. The tier ones still hang in there in the early 40 dungeons, and the tier 2 ones are basically overkill until you hit mid 40s. Third tier ones, well... I watched one ~3 shot a low-forties hard difficulty boss.

Freaking meteors.

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Other Games / Re: Risk of Rain - Action Roguelikelike Goodness
« on: April 05, 2015, 05:21:35 pm »
That's everywhere, neo, not just here :P

... though there's been roughly the same number of people citing issue as not, in the last few posts.

Personally, I still haven't even tried MP for RoR. On one hand, I probably should, cause it would likely be pretty neat. On the other hand, I'd imagine it's significantly more difficult to give myself infinite money while playing MP, and that's terrible :V

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... wouldn't a firebombing campaign have looked a lot like that, to the original writers?

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