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General Discussion / Re: Religion and Spirituality Discussion: Yet Another Thread
« on: March 27, 2015, 07:13:53 pm »
Quote from: Arx on March 27, 2015, 02:24:13 pm
Christianity is defined by the Bible. It's not a question of me having More Faith, it's a question of people either agreeing with the Bible or being wrong. You cannot claim to be a Christian and not do what the Bible says.
... christianity is, and always has been, defined by the church(es). What the bible itself is, was defined by the church at the time. That they primarily use the bible as the foundation for that definition -- which is not, as wierd likes to point out, even the whole of the original texts -- is incidental. A holy text does not make a religion -- a religion makes a holy text. Christians act contrary to the biblical texts all the ruddy time and still claim to be christian. Still are christian, both to themselves, many other people of the general belief system, and most certainly to those who aren't either. Plenty denominations outright ignore or de-canonize (in respect to their congregation, anyway) parts of text entirely, or interpret it to mean things that are radically different -- often outright contradictory -- from what other groups do.

As incredibly nice as it would be to no-true-scotsman away the troublesome members of the belief system, it really doesn't work like that. Especially when significant portions of said belief system are such people. When it comes to things like holy texts, you just... can't really say someone else's interpretation of it is wrong. The texts are what is made of them. They generally are written such that they can't stand on their own.

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General Discussion / Re: Religion and Spirituality Discussion: Yet Another Thread
« on: March 27, 2015, 09:47:26 am »
As noted a few times, now, even if it's technically what amounts to an editing decision rather than the initial wording, YWHW is perfectly willing to usurp free will entirely, as seen by the whole heart-hardened pharaoh bit. Free will is not as big of a deal to the critter as people like to play up... unless you're willing to fall back to what the actual original passage for that bit was, and accept the existence of other gods like the folks that first cobbled together the OT did.

And as OW likes to remind people, the bible doesn't really support the image that the critter is all that benevolent. Even if christian believers for a while now have liked playing up the whole omni-benevolence angle, it's not really all that representative of the bible's depiction of the divine. Christian god isn't particularly the nicest thing to roam about. Its actions are definitely at odds with something that is omni-benevolent, but that's pretty easily explained by it, well, not being that. Or all that benevolent at all.

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General Discussion / Re: I like anime, do you like anime?
« on: March 26, 2015, 11:54:48 pm »
Spoiler: @LS (click to show/hide)

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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« on: March 26, 2015, 11:42:02 pm »
... I keep occasionally pressing space on my laptop's keyboard in an attempt to scroll down on m'kindle. It... it doesn't work.

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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« on: March 26, 2015, 10:16:26 pm »
It's come up on B12 before. Once or twice, before this one. Maybe more, I'unno.

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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« on: March 26, 2015, 08:24:02 pm »
Turns out turkey and torn up string cheese actually makes a pretty darn good sandwich. I was expecting it to be considerably worse than it was. Mostly 'cause string cheese isn't exactly the highest quality foodstuff our species has spawned. But it turned out well. Very nice texture, pretty decent taste, quite filling. Solid B+ on the low-effort sammich scale.

And OW, that sounds a lot like it was a burlesque of some sort. Those... basically are freaky fetish porn. Regardless of subject. Plus a fair number of newer stage shows are, uh. Odd.

Actually, the older ones can be, too. Live performances get gorram weird sometimes.

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Other Games / Re: Dungeon Fighter Online - YOU CAME BAAAACK (Open beta, under new ownership)
« on: March 26, 2015, 06:04:44 pm »
Sure. Just hit me up on... I think it'll be Frumoke at that point. Priest just bottomed out on fatigue.

E: That gatling gun set to an easy instant command. I may have never experienced as satisfying an action as whipping out heavy ordinance on a pile of irritating midgets and gunning them all down. It's beautiful.

E2: F.Mage with sound on. Sweet zeus. Fiah fiah fiah fiahfiahfiahfiahfiahfiahfiahfiahfiahfiahfiahfiahfiahfiahfiahfiahfiahfiahfiahfiahfiahfiahfiahfiahfiahfiahfiahfiahfiahfiahfiahfiahfiahfiahfiahfiahfiahfiahfiahfiahfiahfiahfiahfiahfiahsweet nonexistent gods level 10 come faster ;_;

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Other Games / Re: Dungeon Fighter Online - YOU CAME BAAAACK (Open beta, under new ownership)
« on: March 26, 2015, 04:29:27 pm »
Bloody blue hell I hit a lot harder now that I've hit exorcist. Like goddamn. This is really nice. Hit a bit slower per attack, but the range that my attacks hit just got huge and I hit like a freaking truck. Think my damage output something like tripled, maybe more. Also holy amulet freaking hurts.

Now I just have to get a handle on this bloody skilltree that got massive, too ;_;

E: Fairy prince thing died in like four attacks (though, to be fair, one was the amulet). I'm only level 16 ;_;

Actually having trouble building up rank point things because everything is dying in one hit aaaaaahhh

E2: Waaait, that changed incredibly rapidly. I guess it's because I technically skipped a dungeon just then. Forgotten forest critters take much more of a beating. Is good!

E3: ... any of you want this +7 magic sealed wool sash?

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General Discussion / Re: SCIENCE, the Higgs, and everything else!
« on: March 26, 2015, 03:17:12 pm »
More and larger explosions.

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General Discussion / Re: Religion and Spirituality Discussion: Yet Another Thread
« on: March 26, 2015, 02:37:46 pm »
Quote from: origamiscienceguy on March 26, 2015, 02:24:07 pm
Think about it honestly, would you have done the same thing?
If you're talking about eating the fruit... if I were badly brain damaged too, probably? It's pretty easy to be convinced by random talking snakes when huge portions of your ability to reason are just not there.

Otherwise, hell, when you have an actual god that's actually there with huge flaming letters and whatnot saying "No", that hasn't yet done the whole terrible atrocities thing, then there's actually reason to listen to the hyperpowerful thing that's not yet been a colossal asshat. Back before god started acting like a horrifying and vaguely insane monster, I would have listened. Now is an entirely different story, but back then, with intact faculties, not nomming would have been a fairly easy thing to do.

If you're talking about leaving the decedents of adam and eve to suffer horrifyingly for thousands upon thousands of years... no. I'm not an insane ragebeast that's willing to allow many millions to come to foul ends for the actions of two, if it's within my power to prevent it.

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General Discussion / Re: Religion and Spirituality Discussion: Yet Another Thread
« on: March 26, 2015, 02:21:55 pm »
Quote from: origamiscienceguy on March 26, 2015, 02:06:05 pm
God didn't cause disease or death, that was Adam and Eve back in the garden of Eden (and Satan too)
Uh... yeah, damning billions upon billions to suffer and die for the actions of two individuals who were functionally brain damaged is... a bit disproportionate. Just a titch.

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Other Games / Re: Dota 2 - Slavladder s. 12 is on!
« on: March 26, 2015, 12:26:00 pm »
... 62 deaths in 9 and a half minutes? H... how? That was something like a death every nine seconds. And there was only four of them. You'd think transit and respawn time would make that, like. Not possible or something.

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General Discussion / Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« on: March 26, 2015, 12:13:44 pm »
If that's what it takes to get better results than squishy human brainmeats, it sounds like a good idea t'me.

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General Discussion / Re: SCIENCE, the Higgs, and everything else!
« on: March 26, 2015, 12:06:54 pm »
An entire biomechanical ecosystem populated by them. Herds of the majestic flaming dongabeast.

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General Discussion / Re: SCIENCE, the Higgs, and everything else!
« on: March 26, 2015, 12:05:08 pm »
Wierd's complaining about the "a" part of it. Which is fair -- one thermally powered oscillating dildo is never enough.

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