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... y'know, I didn't know helg's name was actually referencing landscape. Now I do.

And apparently he's being molested by england's tentacles. Good to know.

Forcibly holding cats is surprisingly difficult. It's like they're made from pure muscle.

A good sturdy towel is the most amazing of tools when it comes to that.

To that last bit... no? A deconstruction can involve a lot of love and very little, if any, hate -- really good ones kind of have to, because you can't (effectively, anyway) deconstruct what you don't understand, and it's hard to understand what you don't, to some extent, love. Often doesn't, but it's not necessarily a hatefic type of thing.

... as to claymore, all I really recall of it is that the manga had some fairly pretty pictures. Fairly alright aesthetic, from what I remember (which is admittedly fairly little, as it's been several years since I read any of it). I still specifically remember that one scene with the lion dude about to get obliterated by funky-shape main-character thing. It was nice.

... there's also the whole thing where several other countries manage to deal with stuff like that without, y'know, racking up a significant kill count.

Or the bits where, even when the police are attacked, they could have (and failed, often to even attempt to) dealt with the situation in such a way it didn't come to that, or in a way that doesn't, y'know, end up with a civilian dead on the ground.

You do, from time to time, have situations where cops are legitimately attacked and lethal force is the only reasonable reaction. That... doesn't actually happen very often, and is something training and equipment is supposed to significantly reduce. Which something the cops in the US, at the very least, seem to have somehow missed the memo about.

I honestly don't know how you chaps make the leap from "unhealthy food is unhealthy" and "obesity is unhealthy" to "omg ur fat and gay and desirve 3 diiiiie"

Think that's mostly because that's how the cultures they're in actually react to obese people. With rare exception, you're actually looking at what amounts to a concentrated and sustained campaign of varying degrees of debasement, coming from pretty much every angle of a person's life -- friends, family, media, medical professions, random jackwads on the street, etc., etc. Last I checked, there's a statistically notable level of discrimination involved in job hiring and wages, too, even when the person in question can meet and maintain work requirements.

There... actually is a pretty different reaction to obesity and, say, drug use, at least here in the states and in my experience (Experience having overweight family members, among other aquantences, as well as many that have been drug addicted at some point, just to start). Drug use is treated as bad (well, except when it isn't, like with alcohol use), and the person abusing it generally tried to advise against it, but there's also this undercurrent of treatability and disease -- that it's as much something that's happened to a person as because of them. Obesity... doesn't really get that treatment. If you're fat, it's entirely your fault and you're a lesser person for it, someone to be shamed and ridiculed instead of helped. S'a lot of parallels between how folks speak of the poor and how folks speak of the overweight from what I've seen, just with arguably even less sympathy for the latter.

Other issues aside, the treatment of the overweight is, in actuality, something of a problem. Not all people react well to the same motivations, as so many folks seem to fail to realize, which means how its reacted to does quite a lot of damage and often very little gain...

... not that it doesn't make stuff like the gaining community pretty ruddy ridiculous. S'just that fat acceptance movements do have a pretty hefty degree of point in what they've tended to say, at least when I've ran into 'em.

Though why this conversation is happening in the wtf thread...

Haptics or direct nerve stimulation of some sort, presumably.

Could use some sort of specialized interface. They've actually already got that, just not developed specifically for VR.

... or groping. Other things, though, yeah. Have for a few years, iirc, though from what I recall the technology isn't actually used for much at the mo'.

What potential? Modern games already put most of the normal people's field of view on the flat screen, and you can turn in-game by moving your mouse, which is much better ergonomically than moving your head.

... maybe if you've got some kind of freakishly huge monitor. Most screens I've seen take up maybe a third to a half of a person's field of view -- and that's just the immediate frontal stuff, nevermind peripheral. And while turning your head may be less ergonomic than a mouse gesture (though it's well worth noting that if you're making mouse gestures, you're probably not interacting with the game -- with a head turn, you can do both), the latter is also significantly more so than just moving your eyeballs. And it's very much common for there to be fairly significant issues with screen space and getting all the information you want or need on a, say, a 1280x800, 18-20" screen.

What I want is having the equivalent to a five or six monitor -- or more -- setup at the proverbial (or literal, if the primary control method is your hands instead of an interface device) fingertips, and that's something that is considerably more viable with some sort of VR system than actually having a buggerhump load of monitors cluttering up a room, due to simple space constraints. That would open up a fairly considerable amount of design options when it comes to information presentation that just aren't possible with the limited screen real estate available to modern machines -- flat-screen ones in general, really.

... mind you, if/when we get to the point of a universal mind/machine interface, VR et al might actually be a bit more palatable from the ergonomics standpoint. Wouldn't have to move around, then. On top of all the other neat potentialities.

Bit further off, though. And it's not like fairly active control systems haven't done fairly well already, as the Wii shows off well enough...