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General Discussion / Re: Russia Watch Thread/Ветка о России
« on: January 28, 2015, 02:51:06 pm »
Are you talking about the public opinion here, or about the attitudes of the government?
If you want to talk about something besides the people, let's put it this way: If there had been even the most remote of veneers of legitimacy, there almost certainly would have been no sanctions, nor substantial shifts in economic or political agendas.

It's admittedly irrelevant since there wasn't, though.

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General Discussion / Re: Russia Watch Thread/Ветка о России
« on: January 28, 2015, 02:15:46 pm »
Really? Are you sure that people wouldn't condemn it as illegitimate even then, due to Russia, a geopolitical enemy of the USA and the EU, gaining more land and political influence?
... if the referendum had appeared to be even remotely legitimate, most folks in the US certainly wouldn't have given two shits about it. Doubly so if it had been for something actually believable, like simple independence achieved by a majority vote that ended up being a number that wasn't a blatantly obvious manipulation. And if joining with russia came after that, with genuine signs it's what the people wanted, well, okay.

Instead we had what happened *shrugs*


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Please don't eat the exploded, carbonized, death eggs. Your roommate's honor is not worth the consumption of death eggs.

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Yeah, you know what they say: "If you want to boil some eggs, you've got to burn down an apartment complex." Something like that, anyway.

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... e-mail instead, maybe plus a call to whoever it needed to get to explaining the circumstances? Get/bribe someone else to do it for you?

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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« on: January 28, 2015, 10:15:56 am »
Don't water treatment plants have any redundancy for their filters an such? Considering a mistake could poison/infect an entire town, you can't count on just one system.
You'd think. You'd really, really think.

... it's not the water treatment plant, but the local water apparatus stuff -- the town level machinery and whatnot -- was recently (few weeks ago) discovered by an outside checkup to have been improperly maintained -- some critical parts not even looked at, when it's both pretty vital they're done so regularly and entirely costless to the town to have it done (another organization does it gratis, but has to be called in) -- for years.

Point being that redundant systems may not be enough to prevent a town getting poisoned, assuming human incompetence hasn't decided to forgo them entirely. Biology being what it is, it can even end up being years later that the effects of such things actually start becoming evident.

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... unless it's one of those speech to text things?

It'd probably have to be really well calibrated to pull that off instead of just getting the wrong words, though.

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... would it make much of a difference? Angel of death would be a direct servant of god, under its command. And you've still got the other plagues murdering hundreds to thousands of innocents to go along with it, to say nothing of the various other atrocities the christian god either performs directly or commands.

You unfortunately can't apply a human-normal morality system to the biblical god without it coming up "horrific monster".

...

Kinda' one of the reasons I'd suggest shying away from trying, honestly. It's more interesting to consider other aspects of the faith. Less abhorrent, y'know?

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Critter's also been attributed as committing acts that are considerably more morally reprehensible than something like that, for what it's worth. Hard to beat mass infanticide, honestly. And then there's the whole egyptian king heart hardening thing the monotheism shoehorning left in showing that the early believers were rather willing to throw out any moral stance their god had on free will in exchange for striking mention of other gods from the text...

... it's, uh. Well, folks are welcome to discuss it, obviously, but I'd probably recommend steering away from the morality of the christian god or the general problem of evil thing as a whole. It's really something that could stand its own thread, I'd say. Is a subject that cooks off really easily, as well as being a very large topic on its own.

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((If the confusion was in it not being spell correctly I fixed it, if not then I would direct you in the general location of Ezeikiel chapter 28. It also explains a few other things about the devil))
E: found the right chapter
That is, of course, assuming the king of tyre is satan (as well that, if it is, that what's described there is what is described elsewhere). Which seems to be a common assumption, but... it is an assumption, and there's some weird stuff going on there anyway.

I'm going to do a bit of research into the possibly wrong information I have on satan/devil.
Tell me if I'm missing something that I have said on the matter without proper biblical backing.

Satan and lucifer are the same
Satan and other angels fell from heaven
Satan is one of god's most beautiful creations
Satan hates man
Satan is a generaly evil entity

E: autocorrect is dumb
[1]Yeah, that's significantly arguable, and as mentioned earlier (check what chaoticag mentioned) there's decent grounds to say the morning star (halel, which as noted is what eventually got corrupted into Lucifer) was referring to something different than satan.

From what I recall, there's at least three or four different things that may be the entity known as the adversary (at least one of which is a straight up, non-fallen, angel [that which is termed outside of the main texts as Samael, the wrath of god]), assuming that it's an entity at all (and as others have noted in the thread, there's grounds to assume otherwise, instead being a state of mind).

And it's again worth noting for redundancy that Lucifer isn't actually a name at all -- it's a corruption of the latin translation of halel, which just means morning star (i.e. the planet Venus). Nor is Satan, which is just the anglicization of a hebrew word meaning adversary (or a corruption of shaitan, depending on how you look at it). Neither of them are actually names, heh.

[2]Somewhat questionable, yes, and the general narrative surrounding that is highly influenced by extra-biblical texts, so it's definitely something to be careful about if you're trying to stick to the bible itself. Iirc, there's something like literally one line in the bible that can even be construed as such. Maybe two.
[3]See the bit at the start of this post. And also [1], here, because there's no guarantee that everything that gets called satan nowadays is actually the same critter.
[4]There's not really any grounds for that at all, that I can recall. The Adversary is definitely depicted as acting against mankind fairly often, but YWHW being YWHW it's very much hard to say whether that's because of hate or something else, like being ordered to.
[5]Satan is a servant of god, and is of god, as are all things. It's certainly questionable whether all the biblical depictions could be called evil. Antagonistic, almost certainly, but that is one thing and evil is quite the other.

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As for the buddhist text things, sure there are... sorta'. There's a fair amount of variation between sects, and no central holy text. But there's plenty written, and plenty worth reading even if you have no intention of converting or whathaveyou. There's nice stuff in those writings.

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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« on: January 28, 2015, 12:05:20 am »
Th'gameboy one was pretty alright for a gameboy platformer. Hard as balls, but pretty alright.

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Part of me wants to join in with this, but the rest of me both realizes that's a terrible idea -- I've been reading fanfiction since the late 90s, with all that entails on the front of encountering horror -- and the sad fact that all the truly worst fanfiction violates forum ToS. Ear-shattering screams of existential horror comes only from erotic fanfiction. Of which mention or linking violates the forum rules, so... oh well...

... still, if you're looking for some good fun, step away from FF.N. AO3 (Archive of Our Own) has some nice stuff these days. Mediaminer was another, as well as good ol' fictionpress, FF.N's original fiction sibling (which should probably count -- they tend to be in the same spirit as fanfiction, after all). Then there's... all the other stuff.

AO3 in particular has tags. Should really help dig stuff up.

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General Discussion / Re: I like anime, do you like anime?
« on: January 27, 2015, 11:25:37 pm »
*mumbles something about substantially less cleavage, goes back to mourning maoyuu*

More seriously, the uplift kinda' stuff is marginally more interesting than general socio-political junk, imo. More... I'unno, fluffy or somethin'. Potatoes over war, damn yer hide *grumble mumble*

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Arglefargle. Playing a bit of Fortune Summoner, and let me just say this with a degree of fervor: Fuck all things that fly.

That is all.

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Step 1: Make pasta
Step 2: Stir in mashed potatoes
Step 3: Reflect on the beauty of this world we live in.
Yes. Yes yes. Mac and Cheese is the pasta. Extra cheese. Probably some sort of meat if on hand, too. Maple sausage is really good. It is delicious.

Something about the texture is just really enthralling, plus it's notably more filling-feeling than either pasta or mashed potatoes alone. Is nice.

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