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« on: November 07, 2014, 09:21:09 am »
I'd still kinda' like to know at what point in the bible free will is talked about at all. Choice is mentioned, but that's... not quite the same thing. Last I remember doing one of those google verse-search things, nothing explicit, or even strongly indicative (t'me, anyway) actually popped up. If free will doesn't actually have a significant scriptural basis (especially in the face of contradicting messages, as per the omniscience and 'all things by its will' stuff), talking about it re: christianity is kinda' silly, except insofar as it's one of those denominational additives.
A lot of the talk I've heard about it in regards to worship has struck me as one of those non-scriptural PR things. Kinda' like the omnibenevolence (which is blatant bullshit from a biblical perspective -- it's pretty hard to even read mundane benevolence from YWHW).
Though as a general thing, as has been noted, most sorts of free will are kinda' inimical to the whole "knows everything" and "has plan" bits. Not all, but most of the remainder are more than a little unsatisfying. Wozzname's remote-whatever scenario* sorta' stuff.
*For the unaware, it's one of those old questions re: free will: If you do everything of your own choice, but there's some being out in the universe watching you, with a remote on hand that could force you to do whatever they want and the only reason they never use it is because you do what they want anyway... do you have free will? You can't choose to do other than what you end up doing, but it just so happens that you incidentally don't happen to the make the metaphorical "wrong" choices and have your (self-)presumed agency violated. No actual choice, but you don't notice it.
Functionally identical to genuine free will, but considerably less satisfying, ha.