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My guess is Alien Isolation, seeing as it's the only one not on sale.  If you were going for not scary games there were at least 2 others on that list that wouldn't count.

No, no, it's obvious Left 4 Dead 2 -- it's the only one with the little linux penguin.

Eh... historically not, but theologically you can pretty easily fit either of them into an abrahamic framework. Buddhism doesn't really give a shit about the metaphysical (The buddha pretty specifically said that stuff doesn't matter, when it comes to his teachings), in most of its manifestations, so you have things like buddhist christians and whatnot with very little conflict. Similarly, hindu's whole brah-whatever can pretty easily latch on to YWHW/Streaker J/Allah as either an expy or manifestation.

Of course, the reaction from the abrahamic side of the equation tends to be somewhat more volatile and vitriolic. They... don't play well with others, doctrinally.

also the killing non believers doesn't exactly work anymore to spread religion since you know, people have changed over the past 10,000 years

... killing to spread christianity was done in the states... less than two, three hundred years back? Fair amount of that done during the whole native american mess. It's only been really ruddy recent, historically, that that has fell out of favor, and it's still not entirely gone in certain areas, iirc.

People haven't really changed all that much in the last 10k years -- our environment has (and fairly significantly, over the last half millennium or so), but we're still mostly the same sort of jumped up monkey. Christianity's only been around for less than 2k, anyway, and it's certainly had its periods of conversion by the sword...

I did counter that with the fact that historically, christians have been just as violent in fighting in the name of religion. Though the dark ages and the middle ages were a pretty violent time, even without getting religion into it.

Somewhat significantly more violent, actually, iirc. Islam actually has (pretty progressive, honestly) rules of war built into the religion, and adherents did a pretty good job of sticking to them, historically. Christianity... not so much. Or judaism, really, when followers have had the option to get their murder on. In terms of atrocities, everything I can recall points to islam holding the low count compared to the other two. Especially if you discount radical offshoots. You've got extremist heretics giving them a bad name nowadays, but it's a comparatively undeserved one.

But it's not as definitvely an effect as Abrahamic religion in their case because ISIS uses their guns as a tool to advance their particular brand of abrahamic faith but for the American right the guns appear to be an seperate object of worship in and of themselves, and venerated alongside the Lord rather than used to advance his faith

Nah, we've had some pretty high-up nutjobs specifically state that their reason (and, to an extent, the US as a whole) for supporting israel and generally destabilizing the middle-east is due to (their particularly warped) christian beliefs. Pretty sure US christians, veneer of faith-inspired actions or not, have either killed or directly and strongly contributed to the deaths considerably more people than IS-whatever has, over the years. Maybe not in regards to proportion of population/time scale, but by and far away more by raw numbers.

Basically, the gun thing in particular, not so much, but violence and geopolitical asshattery caused and/or strongly influenced by religious belief? Ho yez. States got that shit all up in our grill, we're just a little more on the low-down about it than your average terrorist group.

Found the verse with the crazy critter

Revelations 4:8

Yeah, for the further reference, for the lazy

In the center, around the throne, were four living creatures, and they were covered with eyes, in front and in back. 7 The first living creature was like a lion, the second was like an ox, the third had a face like a man, the fourth was like a flying eagle. 8 Each of the four living creatures had six wings and was covered with eyes all around, even under its wings.

Honestly, a lot of revelations reads like a very heavy hallucinogen trip, heh.

Yeah, DB's been about on par with slayers, up to the point I leveled it (20, then promptly switched over to demonologist), t'me. Playing about the same, roughly the same degree of toughness (once you hit 12), similar damage output (i.e. overkill until past the west).

Demonologists are... different. Playing it, not entirely sure I like it. Hoping things get more interesting as the higher tier seeds show up, since you really kinda' need 'em to use and sustain much of your talents. Need that vim on hit/getting hit, et al. Right now (level 16, in nur) they're just kinda' awkward feeling. Doing alright, outside of eating a death from running into three ooze horrors and a pack of luminious (and not dipping before running out of the resources needed to power my escape methods. Round two went much more smoothly.), all at the same time, though. Biggest problem for them is probably vim regeneration at low-ish levels -- if they're having trouble killing something, there's not much they can do mid-fight if their vim taps out (unless you get that locked tier 3 talent, which instead buggers your stamina right into the ground). I expect that to change when I've got better seeds, but for the time being it's a PitA

E: Ohey, they updated. Demonologist and doombringer. Ignore the blood knight addon -- there's some kind of annoying bug where the bloody game won't load without the freaking thing active. And I'm too lazy to fix it, since it doesn't really meaningfully change the game outside of adding a class and improving the bleed status UI. Demo's gained a level since then, though.

Re: Phonewriting: ... practice? I think having relatively small fingers helps, as well. I got pretty speedy after a bit on the iPad I used for a while.

Good to see another entrant into the "being protag is suffering" authorial arena, though.