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General Discussion / Re: Christian beliefs and discussion
« on: October 14, 2014, 10:27:19 pm »
I think my point is that if the Bible were justifiable, then everyone would believe it.
Oh, not necessarily. If there also existed equally justifiable accounts, people could just as easily believe in those, and that's assuming no mitigating circumstances (like never encountering it *waves forlornly to the pacific islanders*).

There's also justifiable but irrelevant, in which case people could, well- not exactly disbelieve, but just... not care. The bible probably wouldn't matter much if it were absolutely true, but humanity had been proven (by whatever means) to have no souls, or some equivalent situation. Most non-jews only sorta' care about the Torah, as an existent thing that's sort of an example. If something's completely inapplicable to you, why waste the energy to assign a belief state to it? Mark it N/A and move along, heh.

Probably some other edge cases, too *shrugs*

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General Discussion / Re: Christian beliefs and discussion
« on: October 14, 2014, 10:13:28 pm »
How people approach faith... varies a lot, II. A lot. I'd personally disagree strongly that the point of faith is to be difficult to believe. Faith is just belief in a not-yet-justified or unjustifiable proposition, t'me, with different ways to approach each sort.* Difficulty of belief -- due to lack of reason, ferex -- is tangential at best to the "point" of faith (which is mostly just to defeat solipsism, in the case of the not-yet-justified, and fill in metaphysical holes, for the other sort)... and often outright interfering.

Even with faith, there is an ethics to belief, and believing without sufficient (what counts as sufficient varies, of course) justification is something that can get very close to, if not outright become, immoral.

I would hold pretty staunchly that proper faith is not difficult to believe in at all, but instead flows directly from justified belief (mostly because faith picks up where justification leaves off, heh). When faith becomes difficult, the problem is considerably more likely to be in the belief than in the believer -- which is why faith only grows stronger by being challenged and changing appropriately... though what is appropriate is incredibly contingent, of course.

*You get similar propositions regarding faith straight from the mouths of christian theologians (which isn't terribly surprising, because I more or less stole the the definition from one, whose name I've forgotten for like the sixteenth time). You also get entirely different ones of a good handful of sources. Faith is a ridiculously huge topic, even without the religious trappings.

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And suddenly the rage thread is Shredder. Or Krang, maybe?

Which do you prefer, Nenj? Dude whose mortal enemy is a rat, or brain inside the belly of a half-naked fat man wearing spandex underwear and boots? And I guess some kind of... overall pauldrons, I'unno.

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General Discussion / Re: SCIENCE, the Higgs, and everything else!
« on: October 14, 2014, 06:08:31 pm »
Bad PR and/or inefficiently monetized product are also good reasons to fire someone. Just because a drug doesn't work, doesn't mean you can't make money from it.*

And gods help the poor moral bastard that actually says something outside the company, because the industry damn sure won't.

*There is an absolutely massive non-FDA approved market, hint hint. Also we totally do get recalls and whatnot -- just like with mining companies, it's irrelevant if you have to stop and/or eat fines if you still end up profiting before you get shut down. Better a minor profit and easily buried/obfuscated bad PR (Who actually reads the FDA's recall list? How many times do such things actually make the news?) than no profit and sunk R&D costs.

And given that some drugs take decades before the side effects start kicking in...

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I went shoeless around the house a lot, for a while. Have mostly stopped, at this point.

I know exactly what changed, though. One of the older house residents urinal aim became worse. Barefoot, no longer.

Do kinda' like being barefoot when it's leaning towards chilly. Makes warming up under blankets that much more meaningful.

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Eh, some folks are down with it, and that's mostly okay. Janet is fond of going shoeless, iirc, and while I certainly wouldn't go outside sans shoes or shoe equivalents (because many of the times I actually have ended in blood and/or insects), some people do and if that's their thing it's their thing, ant bites and hidden glass shards and all.

There's a slightly greater burden involved in going into someone's business or home while tracking in whatever has adhered to your delicious footmeat, though, or so I understand the cultural opinion on the subject in my area. Shoe-material adhesion only, and please wipe your shoes first.

But yeah, they're basically seen as, well, dirty, when you've been walking around in public with your feet skyclad. It's not necessarily that feet are disgusting in and of themselves, just in that particular situation.

E: And, I mean, it's not like it's not understandable. The ground is what most non-humans and a slim minority of humans use as a toilet. If we regularly handled wot dogs pissed on with our hands, there would probably be a cultural norm to wear gloves.

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Is mostly a hygiene thing, last I heard someone ramble about it.

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Just... y'know, beware getting one of the good ones and then not getting any sleep at all. Or one of the particularly bad ones and just getting a headache. You want middle of the road, not engaging but not painfully obtuse.

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General Discussion / Re: I like anime, do you like anime?
« on: October 14, 2014, 10:55:45 am »
considering it's from the same director behind Gundam SEED and SEED Destiny.
And that, is the sound of Frumple losing even the most infinitesimal iota of interest in the series.

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... because I kinda' like it?

Also because basically everything is on my playlist. It's one of those ones that a person with DID looks at and then looks away, blushing. A period of music listening is not complete without giving mood whiplash mood whiplash *nods sagely*

The next song on the playlist is this. Everybody loves some noise music, right?

I've yet to find a genre of music I couldn't find at least something produced by it I liked.

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I wish I had a theme song.
The problem with saying things like that is that it gets one assigned to you.

Incidentally, I just hit shuffle a couple times on my playlist. Here's what popped out. Enjoy your new theme song.

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I'm not really sure posts per day mean all that much, honestly. S'a bit too dependent on how long you've been lingering around.

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General Discussion / Re: Post-Scarcity Thread
« on: October 13, 2014, 09:59:22 pm »
It also seems that the concept of a lifetime marrage is starting to break down, and more people seem to want something closer to a friendship - something that doesn't tie the people together for life.
I'm not even sure there's ever truthfully been a concept of lifetime marriage, honestly, at least in regards to emotional relationship fidelity (fiscal relationship fidelity is an entirely different discussion). It's certainly been a cultural norm given lip service over the centuries, but extramarital affairs have been incredibly common for at least as long and often either tacitly or explicitly accepted. Concept of a lifetime marriage has a lot of self-deception and a lot of economics involved with it, but... relatively little reality, imo.

I could definitely see how more idle time (read: potential for self-reflection and study) would lead to an upswing in honesty regarding the subject, though.

The current problem with work is a distribution problem, more than a cultural problem. The problem is deciding who has to work/study, and who doesn't.
That... is definitely a cultural problem. The distribution problem is trivial -- we've got more individuals than we actually need to get pretty much everything done. Almost every roadblock and inefficiency in doing so is explicitly due to cultural norms. The logistics aspect of it is frankly a non-issue, imo. If our collective societies actually wanted, in their entireties, our various problems solved, they would be. We could do things by ruddy random lots and get pretty much everything done, if it came to it (assuming a means of enforcement or a willingness to comply, anyway), nevermind all the massively more efficient means of going about things we have in our collective methodologies.

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Or better, why should someone have the right to not work, when there is still work to do. This is the problem that technology is creating.
That's... backwards? The problem is that we're creating work out of aether because there isn't work to be done for a lot of people, but we still demand that people work before they eat. Also that instead of maintaining production and reducing hours, we're either increasing production and maintaining hours, or increasing production and reducing hours. It's really one of the biggest problems the modernized world has -- figuring out what the hell to do with all the people for whom there is no meaningful work to do.

Technology definitely hasn't been creating more work for us. The productivity gains we've been seeing in pretty much every single field has drastically reduced the amount of effort we need to maintain parity in... pretty much any industry you want to look at.

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General Discussion / Re: I like anime, do you like anime?
« on: October 13, 2014, 06:18:12 pm »
Derp, I didn't even notice it said neototype. Yeah, its probably just a translation error.
Hrrnnn... maybe? Like I said, google actually pulled up some seemingly legitimate uses of the term. Like this. Or this. Or this'un, which involves a gratuitously enlarged picture of a mosquito. Handful of others. Like said, it... might actually be a particularly obscure word.

... or misspellings, yes.

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General Discussion / Re: I like anime, do you like anime?
« on: October 13, 2014, 06:10:44 pm »
... that's a neotype, yes. I guess a neototype could just be a misspelling/gratuitous engrish mutation...

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