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... isn't she melee? And kinda' squishy? I was under the impression it's basically impossible for a melee hero to be the most newb friendly, much less a poppable one. Especially in an ARAM where poke is, like, king, queen, and court's jester, too.

Not really sure who the actual most friendly ever would be. Definitely be ranged, though.

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General Discussion / Re: Christian beliefs and discussion
« on: October 07, 2014, 06:10:07 pm »
Probably best to try some independent research on it, especially the somewhat before modern times history and the non-radicalized parts of current worship and population. I've done nothing terribly in depth in regards to checking stuff out m'self, but there's certainly plenty of good stuff from it -- especially the earlier parts of the qur'an, before Muhammad himself became more aggressive in the face of aggression (and even after that, stuff like the islamic theology regarding just war was pretty damn progressive for its time in a lot of ways), and some of the associated texts -- and most followers (the vast, vast majority) are just... people.

Much of the problems seen related to it are considerably more social or cultural rather than religious... and the islamophobia and general xenophobia regarding the muslim population of the world among western populations means you get a very poisoned discourse, as well. Overt and directed negativity from the western perspective, understandable defensiveness considering it from the muslim, and what appears by all accounts to be a great deal of media effort to suppress or ignore anything contrary to that dialectic. Nasty shit with a lot of geopolitics and old anger mixed in.

It gets an incredibly bad rap in the western world, but the fact of the matter is that the muslim population is roughly equal to the christian one and yet we somehow have most of said ~1/3rd the human species getting along fairly peaceably.

Still, it's a very inflammable topic, especially on a majority western forum. Someone could try for a thread, but it would probably be best to just... try not to talk about it much, honestly.

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General Discussion / Re: Christian beliefs and discussion
« on: October 07, 2014, 04:12:36 pm »
I think i may change this to a general religious discussion thread

As long as people keep the same relatively calm tone, I think this would be great.
I'd personally strongly suggest against it. General religion thread is considerably more volatile, amazingly enough (considering the general pathos vs. christianity in particular around here -- about the only thing that gets a worse reaction is islam), and far less... focused? Keeping it to one religion makes it a lot easier to say, "Get back on track" or "knock it off", as well as has an immediate and fairly accessible source of non-strawman material (actual doctrine and theology, plus we have actual members of the belief here as well as many who have had actual, on the ground, interaction with it), plus there's notable things for people to actually learn new info about as opposed to bandying ideas around (Mind you, the latter's fun, but it's very... tinder).

If someone wants a general religion thread, probably best to go make it. Leave this one more specialized.

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Have fun going broke because you don't know how to manage your finances.
... I don't think I've used -- or needed -- a single thing more advanced than very basic algebra in regards to anything related to financing. You don't need more than basic understand of the concept and use of variables to basically master friggin' accounting, never mind basic lifestyle finance management.

And beyond that, not a single bloody one of the math classes I've taken -- not even the freaking one on business related math -- had jack all in regards to actually teaching you how to use any of it in a practical way. Not a damned thing outside some halfhearted budgeting exercises and poorly framed examples

So no. People aren't going to learn to manage their finances in math class, unless the curriculum has radically changed recently. Above and beyond that, math in general does fuck all to genuinely help you manage your finances to begin with -- it lets you track the numbers better, but that does nothing for your decision making or long and short term planning ability in and of itself. Math facilitates financial planning, but it does not enable it.

Call it something of my own personal annoyance. Getting annoyed about people getting annoyed about being taught math that has no direct use for them -- and worse, not even taught how to actually goddamn use what they can use -- annoys me. Don't get annoyed at them -- get annoyed at the either the idiots who are teaching them or the greater idiots that have forced non-idiots to teach poorly.

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General Discussion / Re: Christian beliefs and discussion
« on: October 07, 2014, 01:01:47 pm »
*shrugs* And they have all the proof they need, in most cases. Not enough to prove it to someone else, s'far as I know, but with that sort of thing that's... not really necessary, from the believer's standpoint. If you've seen a jackalope you've seen a jackalope even if you can't find or catch the ruddy thing, s'far as you're concerned. Other people are perfectly correct to claim you crazy or hallucinating (you probably are or were), but you've seen what you've seen.

Being skeptical and disbelieving a claim is notably different from the claim being wrong, heh, and if the other person(s) involved hold a different standard of proof than the skeptical it's- well, basically a non-conversation. There's not terribly much else able to be said, because if two folks are operating off different standards of proof convincing one another can become something between incredibly difficult and impossible.

And so we pat them on the back and let them believe what they believe until they either don't or they start digging up buried treasure or whathaveyou. It's another one of those things that don't really change anything and no one can provide sufficient evidence to prove or disprove.

Proof does go both ways, though. S'true that the burden of proof lies on the claimant, but lack of that does not mean the skeptical can say the claimant is wrong -- just that they have not been provided sufficient reason to believe the claim, and thus (rightfully) ignore it until otherwise convinced. Not proven does not mean disproven in this sort of situation, it instead means either <Insufficient Proof> or <Not Applicable>. E: Which is almost unfortunate, because if things didn't work like that epistemology would become a metric fuckton more straightforward.

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General Discussion / Re: Christian beliefs and discussion
« on: October 07, 2014, 10:39:45 am »
My personal problem with reincarnation is the issue of personal identity. When body dies, what makes you you dies too, irregardless of whether you've got a new body at the end of it.
... does it? Or, more explicitly, does it entirely? People are somewhat prepositioned towards certain behavioral patterns, even outside of environmental influences -- definitely not much, in most cases not involving radical brain structure abnormalities, but somewhat. It's also entirely possible that the process of reincarnation (somehow) leaves you in a body/situation that will produce a person very similar (not identical, of course -- most forms of reincarnation I've seen do posit some sort of change between incarnations) to your last incarnation. A sort of, "Round Two, FIGHT" scenario involving characters that randomize slightly every round but are still largely the same competitor. Incidentally, I think I'd totally play a fighting game where you weren't entirely sure how many limbs you'd have this match.

And @MH, there's various disciplines and whatnot for "connecting" with/learning about previous lives, with varying degrees of "success". Almost certainly just hallucinations -- sometimes rather vivid and/or self-induced -- at best, buuuuut many of the people that believe they've experienced the phenomena think it's real enough. Considering there's very few ways to prove or disprove their claims,* and almost certainly no way to do so with certainty for all of their claims, well... E: Well, you mostly just pat them on the back and let them believe what they believe, at least until they start digging up ancient buried treasure or something.

Badly off topic, though. I know there's at least some christian denominations that believe in reincarnation to one degree or another, but I have no clue about their doctrinal or theological stances. Mostly just that they exist, and at least one believes in limited reincarnation that occurs until... whatever their rapture equivalent is.

*You'd have to have someone who believes they lived a past life (and remember some/all of it) that was thoroughly documented enough someone could check their details, and then find some way to confirm the person in question had never encountered said documentation -- and even if they get it all right, coincidentally accurate WAG is a possibility. And getting it wrong could just be inconsistent narration -- the documentation being wrong.

Documentation of that sort is almost entirely nonexistent, currently. Another three or four hundred years and maintenance of facebook archives or whatever and that might change, but it's pretty impossible at th'mo.

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... y'know, the welsh thing makes me wonder: What does the whole "In his house at R'lyeh dead Cthulhu waits dreaming" spiel look like when properly translated into welsh? More or less alien than the original?

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Other Games / Re: Junk Jack X: Steam Greenlight campaign announced
« on: October 07, 2014, 12:37:50 am »
... sell it to me a bit more? When I look at the linked site, my immediate thought is "Ipad Terraria", which to be perfectly honest are two words that when combined makes me cringe and instinctively head for the nearest exit.

Might could also stand to mention it's 2D and sidescrolling -- otherwise that list sounds suspiciously like some sort of minecraft ripoff/mod :P

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Other Games / Re: Terraria - 1.2 now out!
« on: October 06, 2014, 09:36:42 pm »
Mostly bullshit, which is why T hasn't really had them.

@ Umi: Updates stopped entirely for like... a year? Two? Many moons, anyway, then Red or whoever apparently changed their mind and has come back with some (fairly unimaginative) content updates and (desperately needed) livability/UI updates (some of which possibly stolen from Starbound* :P). Since then we've been getting something, hell, I'unno, once every month or so, with some bugfix-type exceptions? Haven't exactly been keeping track of a timeline -- other than the smart cursor and better movement, there's not been anything terribly impressive or groundbreaking added, iirc. More junk, and some more invasions and bosses and whatnot, but it's... more, more than better. Not necessarily bad, just possibly not worth a new playthrough, especially considering most of the content additions are to the late/end game.

If you haven't played in a while, though, it might be worth another fire up. The smart cursor seriously makes major aspects of the game (building and mining, in particular -- backwalling is now no longer among the most godawful pain in the ass UI implementations I've ever seen!) considerably less painful. Game feels notably more fluid and polished after the latest updates.

*Though the obvious one, being able to seamlessly move up/down one-tile inclines, is a pretty natural development regardless as to if someone actually beat the T folks to it.

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... that may be one of the most witty bits of toilet humor I have ever seen, actually. Credit indeed.

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Other Games / Re: Terraria - 1.2 now out!
« on: October 06, 2014, 02:37:00 pm »
I guess I'm not knocking it, but part of me almost wants them to stop again so mods can catch up :P

I miss playing that dark souls one, but once you've used that smart cursor playing the game otherwise is just... not possible. Among other things. Livability changes are big mojo.

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Other Games / Re: Dominions 4: Thrones of Ascension
« on: October 06, 2014, 12:41:02 pm »
S'far as I'm aware, yeah. Also won't work on mindless astral mages, ala golems. It's strictly anti-astral, and one of the reasons taking astral (particularly low astral) on a combat pretender is incredibly risky.

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General Discussion / Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« on: October 06, 2014, 12:26:06 pm »
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Retired New Jersey history teacher Larry S. Krieger told Newsweek, “As I read through the document, I saw a consistently negative view of American history that highlights oppressors and exploiters.”
Hahaha, no shit, it's almost like American history is pretty damn negative and consists of a great deal of oppressors and exploiters.

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Pretty sure the bell ringing varies by church, possibly by denomination or some other metric. Might vary by region or due to local laws, there's a lot of potential variables. I've seen varying patterns between churches, and I think I've actually noticed individual churches change ringing style as well (probably because of certain days or certain events, hell if I know).

As for the second, maybe "range finder"? I don't actually know the name, but I think that's at least an equivalent designation.

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