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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« on: August 18, 2014, 10:57:08 pm »
... that's what fanfiction is for. There's... well, one or two out there that do alright by chang.

Though I've noticed the distinct tendency for, when someone's writing up a canon asian HP character, it's either the patil twins or... that other one. Su something? I'unno. I think there was like four, anyway. Chang usually gets thrown under some form of bus.

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General Discussion / Re: Abortion father opt-out rule
« on: August 18, 2014, 09:56:46 pm »
Yeah, browse most of it except the references section :P

Which was what I was looking for -- the site you linked before mentioned that Dividing, insofar as I could parse the footnote, noted that their findings in Cali were pretty similar to national studies. Presumably those studies were used as a reference in the Maccoby & Mnookin text, which should have duly noted them and left a paper trail to follow to the nation level stuff.

I mean, I'm curious, but I'm not sure if I'm quite curious enough to drop a tenner or wait a week or two for an interlibrary loan to come in just to check a book's reference section (and alternative electronic means have failed me, sooo...). Probably read it, too, but mostly for that. Book seems somewhat popular, though, so I figured it wouldn't hurt to ask if someone just happens to have the text or not. Or maybe are near a library that actually has the text on the shelves or somethin'.

[squelch]No, nevermind, just reviews on jstor. Doesn't look like the text itself is.

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On the other hand, you have to answer "Yes" to the question "does your wife dress you?"
Nah, you just respond, "Vigorously" and give a little leer at whoever's asking. Maybe an eyebrow waggle if you're feeling frisky. Hopefully the mental images involved will teach them not to ask such questions.

As for never shopping, MZ, there's always delivery. At least in more urbanized areas. Sometimes elsewhere, too, but eh. Could also take the arguably simpler route of bribing the neighbor and giving them a list when they go shopping.

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General Discussion / Re: Abortion father opt-out rule
« on: August 18, 2014, 07:00:59 pm »
Definitely different than what I was remembering, then. Seeing about tracking down the info, right now. Apparently the book was done back in '00 and, while the numbers came from cali, were apparently similar to national studies. Which means national studies presumably exist, which is nice. If they can be hunted down, then.

E: I don't suppose one of you folks actually has "Dividing the Child" by Maccoby and Mnookin and can check the references? I wanna' see those national studies ;_;

E2: Though, for what it's worth, this was fairly interesting. Didn't skim the rest of the site to see what its general deal is, but the bit at the bottom in particular seemed to be a bit more verbose on the subject than LB's link.

E3: Comments are actually somewhat non-toxic, too, particularly some of the bits re: selection criteria for custody. Be interesting to know if the standard is still holding a good eight years later.

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General Discussion / Re: Abortion father opt-out rule
« on: August 18, 2014, 03:05:43 pm »
It is considered perfectly acceptable for women to use pregnancy as leverage against the father... so long as it is actually the father.
If by "perfectly acceptable" you mean "will be gossiped about for the next decade in a negative light", I guess.

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generally speaking she receives total sympathy over the man in this situation.
Okay, put bluntly: She wouldn't receive total sympathy. She will be talked about behind her back because of her actions, probably for years, and will almost certainly be seen as less of a person by a fair amount of the community she's involved in. Seriously, people do not just join hands and sing kumbaya when someone, male or female, is using a pregnancy as leverage against someone else. At least not regarding marriage -- child support, again, sure, but not marriage or marriage related subjects. No one comes out of one of those dustups smelling like roses, not in reality. S'bad business all around.

So no. On this one reelya is right. Women still overwhelmingly get custody of children during divorce with no or little change over the past ~20 years at least. But yes, it could be skewed by women overwhelmingly pursuing custody.
Yeah, from what I understand it's very much that last bit, or at least men overwhelmingly not pursuing custody. For whatever reason(s), men simply seek custody in considerably smaller numbers. That's not the same thing as there being an actual legal bias toward one gender or another regarding custody rights.

I mean, if there is one, there is one, but everything I've personally ran into regarding the subject has indicated the bias is very much cultural instead of legal, and very rarely actually intrudes on any legal procedures relating to the situation(s) in question. Men having the perception that they're not going to get custody without a exceptionally strong case does not make that true. Unless it is true, in which case I'd love to see the numbers :-\

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General Discussion / Re: Abortion father opt-out rule
« on: August 18, 2014, 02:42:09 pm »
... mothers that don't take care of their children are considered bad people, too.

It's just. Look. There is no scenario involving coercing or tricking another person into marriage that isn't going to end with social approbation. It doesn't exist.

And yeah, taking responsibility generally involves more than cash, but that definitely doesn't extend all the way to marriage. Or, again, it hasn't in every single case I've personally ran into involving the subject. Daytime television's kiiinda' BS.

Child support does technically go both ways, but it is still sex-skewed, due to yet ANOTHER right that women have that men don't, which is a assumption by the courts of women as primary caregivers (given equal legal resources and de facto caregiving).

Thus, when custody is in dispute, women almost always win custody, so fathers are almost always the ones paying child support, and as a subset of that, almost always the ones on the receiving end of being "stuck with" child support unjustly (whatever % of child support is unjust, it will run higher in the group who pays child support more often overall)
Isn't this general spiel actually bullshit and the majority of cases where men actually pursue guardianship, they get it? Pretty sure that's what the numbers showed when it came up in one of the previous sets of discussion on this topic, though m'definitely distracted enough at the moment my memory may be failing me. Less men seek primary guardianship for whatever reason, but when they do, they're apparently more likely to get it.

I'd love to see the actual case studies/legal sections/precedent that say the mother is by default the primary caregiver, though. I know the tax code (in the states, anyway) at least, doesn't say that. E: Or at least didn't a few months ago. Guardianship re: taxes is determined entirely by fiscal support and place of residence of the dependent -- gender is pretty close to never mentioned, iirc.

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General Discussion / Re: Abortion father opt-out rule
« on: August 18, 2014, 02:23:05 pm »
... no? We don't. At least I've never seen anyone say that's suddenly okay behavior. Sticking them with child support, sure (and that goes both ways), but not marriage.

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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« on: August 18, 2014, 12:26:56 pm »
Add more salt so it tastes usually salty? Or maybe some pepper or something. Cheese, croissants, whatever.

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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« on: August 18, 2014, 08:30:11 am »
You should know better than to taunt the internet like that, GO. Don't particularly want the WTF thread to devolve into the "Cute Dead Things" thread.

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Other Games / Re: Incursion (open source) play & development
« on: August 18, 2014, 08:16:31 am »
M'actually not sure what could be causing it, heh. It could be the evil allies, but I'm not sure about that. Best suggestion I've got would be to make a copy of the save file and kick it into wizard mode, which should might give you more information as to what exactly is going on.

Gods in inc are... probably the most fiddly and obfuscated mechanic in the game, as well as somewhat buggy in ways I only vaguely remember. Going full spoiler in game is probably your best bet for figuring out exactly what's happening.

That said, with hessani* specifically you've probably pissed him off enough he won't have you. That you've been regularly using call companions is quite possibly enough to do that by itself. From what I recall (note: I can definitely be failing a memory check, here), gods do actually track anger and whatnot when you're not worshiping or aligned with them, they just don't smite the buggery out of you for doing stuff that irritates them. So you can likely build up enough dislike to block any relationship whatsoever, even without being nominally or fully aligned with them.

*It's worth noting that hessani is an absolute nightmare to worship. There is lit. no other god in the game as hard to please -- not even Maeve, and Maeve will basically kill you on a whim.

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General Discussion / Re: Abortion father opt-out rule
« on: August 17, 2014, 10:55:46 pm »
All in all, the old system is really paternalistic and views women as passive recipients of aid and men as active providers of aid (or women as passive agents in sex: man as the 'doer' woman as the 'done', so whatever the outcome it's the mans responsibility). This "man active, woman passive" thing flows through a lot of societys rules, and it's plain rubbish especially in modern advanced societies.
This... really kinda' confuses me. You are aware that it's whichever parent isn't the primary guardian that pays child support, right? With gender kinda' not factoring in much, if at all. Insofar as I'm aware it's been like that for... well, at least as long as I've been alive. Two or three decades or so.

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News doesn't seem to be turning up anything in the last 24 hours. Just more stuff on iraq/israel/ferguson. Hear anything more specific than "some shit went down"?

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General Discussion / Re: "Paper Abortion"
« on: August 17, 2014, 05:35:10 pm »
Isn't this already a thing? I thought it was.
Sorta'. I'm about 90% sure there's some kind of legal agreement the parents can enter into in which total fiscal responsibility is assumed by one of the parties in question. It just requires agreement between the parties instead of one doing so unilaterally.

Which is arguably understandable, considering that one party's bodily autonomy is involved and the other's kinda' isn't.

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Other Games / Re: League of Legends - Patch 4.11 - Jax is the King
« on: August 17, 2014, 03:32:20 pm »
Thought gnar was on a rage time thing? Not resourceless, per se, and they're definitely willing to have non-mana range characters. There's that zappy fuzz midget, anyway. Pretty sure he runs off energy instead of mana, anyway.

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A contest to be discussed in some thread that is not the thread that has rules specifically stating to avoid discussion, perhaps?

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