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General Discussion / Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« on: August 03, 2014, 09:45:12 pm »
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Even so, giving a UN site a warning it is going to be attacked is still some top grade dumbfuckery, if indeed the 2 UN sites hit were even warned.Well, yes, but if you're expecting anything but moral bankruptcy from either side of the conflict at this point, I'd wager you're not really paying attention, bleh. IDF's pretty strongly (re?)confirmed themselves scum tier (because regardless of what they say, what they've done paints an incredibly clear picture), and Hamas came into this on that level, so... dumbfuckery is to be expected. Decried, sure, but it seems to be the base state of the conflict.
Also, I've never really understood the logic of "They're shooting rockets from a hospital/school (that are hilariously ineffective at doing any serious damage, by the way), so obviously if we give a warning we're totally in the clear to demolish the entire area with carpet bombing!".I never did get an explanation for that line of reasoning in the egypt etc. thread. It's apparently something israeli propaganda is stating as gospel -- that giving warning somehow absolves all potential blame -- but it'd be nice to know why. Some sort of legal precedent in international courts or something? It's incredibly obvious it's not a moral argument, so it must be some sort of legal one, I'd think.
It's impossible without vast technological achievements and production facilities, and those are fucking impossible without major centralization! Aargh!Not so much anymore, what with the whole technology thing that currently exists. Centralization isn't so much a necessary thing as it is a results of previous logistic constraints -- constraints which are dissolving ever more rapidly as communication and transport technology continues to develop, and largely no longer exist. You see it ever more often where even smaller scale units of organization -- businesses and whatnot -- will strongly decentralize their operations as they do business. It's even increasingly common for businesses to come together ad-hoc to complete projects rather than bother to centralize any particular aspect of the process involved (see: virtual groups and whatnot). There's absolutely zero reason beyond xenophobia for countries to not operate in the same manner.
You're forgetting the rampant xenophobia, owl. I'd like to say it's not as serious as stereotypes make it out to be -- and maybe it isn't, in other areas, I'unno -- but the simple fact that russia == not USA and Putin == Not American earns them both the unending and unequivocal hatred of a significant portion of the conservative base in the area I'm in (and, presumably, other parts of the country), regardless of what they're doing. Most of the ones I've heard talking don't even know what the hell russia is doing or is like (and don't care, honestly), they just spit on it because it's not the USA.Of course not -- it's not in America. Nothing good can come out of godless freedom hating ruskies. C'mon owl, get with the sterotype.But pretty much the only point of contention I can see is that Putin isn't very pro-gun. Besides that he seems like everything they'd want in a President.