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Aye, pretty much all passive DC stuff like that -- both for traps and locks, and probably some other junk -- increase with depth. I think the rationalization is that the earlier levels kill off the less competent lockmakers.

As for rogues -- sneaky, skill focus (Use Magic), stealth around picking up wands and the blowing everything into little pieces. Wands get completely and utterly ridiculous incredibly quickly, and there's literally nothing else in the game as capable of exploiting the involved skillchecks better than rogues, iirc. You can stab a few things in the process, I guess, or start as drow (or elf, I guess? I think they start with something both usable and ranged, too) and crossbow things until you can wand stuff to death or whatev'. Almost definitely want high int -- if you can live long enough to enable skill mastery with a high int rogue you can pretty promptly start doing silly things like permastealthing across the ceiling blowing everything up with doomwands. Skills are pretty great. Stealth is pretty alright.

There's plenty of other ways to run 'em, too. I've seen other folks do good things with some assassin and/or shadow-whatever prestige classing.

With monks, mostly just use your quarterstaff or whatever for the first bit. Don't forget you've got the chakram -- might as well use it. Once you've got some BAB in you, a few feats stuck in your fists, and some skills and class features enabled you do pretty decently as plain ol' melee. You can stealth around as well, if you want. Probably go lizard for the native armor, I'unno, or orc for the late game (disease immunity, omnomnom). Eventually you'll be immune to a lot of junk (orc luv, baby) and have some pretty killer skill rolls (especially for stuff like jump, which is actually pretty awesome if you've got enough bonus in it to make the friggin' jumps) as well as fists that can actually hurt critters and pretty quick feet. Maybe take a level of druid at some point to pick up magic fang (and hell, lifesight and longstrider while you're at it) if you're feeling frisky. I think there's a couple of monk gods that are okay with druids, if my memory's not failing.

Speaking of that, how does friendly cross-nation interaction work, anyway? Does it? Can I, like, go visit? Totes lend my death beams to some endeavor or another, providing I can find it.

Two things learned: Critter levels seem more like suggestions than anything concrete -- I'm now fairly regularly squishing 30-40 level groups with my now level 20 frogbot (and stabbyfriend minion).

None of that matters when the enemy group is level 95. Gobbal warchief, gobbal, and assorted tiny annoying ones, no big. Two warchiefs, three gobbals, a gobbette, and a tiny... not going to try to solo that.

Annnd reminder that we're still looking for a guild name/background/icon/pair of colors. Colors will go on the guild uniform, which will provide a variety of boosts depending on how high the guild is leveled. You can look at the options at a guild-o-matic, which should be in your starting nation area, up on the ramparts. Just take a screenshot or somethin.

All I can recommend is that purple is included in the colors, at least until the update server data is synced or whatev'. ah, back up.
Not sure about the name, though. Deadboats (That is, boats that have been murdered) would be a simple stealth callback to DF, if it's not already taken and something more explicit isn't desired. Also kinda' catchy, imo.

That'd be something for the players to have a go at, really. M'terrible with wiki stuff, which is why I didn't mess with it any even back when it was being meaningfully updated. The wiki itself was never directly connected with the game -- entirely player run, etc. As I've said previously, though, the in-game help and whatnot is pretty darn thorough, and the game is generally very transparent about mechanics and enemy stats and such. M'never entirely sure what a wiki would meaningfully add, beyond maybe tips and junk.

As for balance stuff, I think the consensus was "maybe after the bugs are squashed and remaining stuff implemented" with a side of "major consensus between players re: needed changes will be considered for implementation first". Personally, unless a class is unwinnable, I wouldn't suggest touching them until everything else is done -- and of the three noted, only monks really approach having a problem, and even that's only starting off (if that -- they're usually fine even then if you hold off on trying to punch things to death for a bit). Warriors are death machines once they've got the kit to offset their terrible utility, and rogues just pick up Use Magic and blow everything to hell* (they're often cited as one of the easier classes to win with, so I'm not sure "ass" is how they're rightfully described). Even monks do alright once they've got some levels in 'em.

*Mind you, anyone can do that, but skillmonkey rogues have an easier time than most. Skill mastery + skill focus + high int = massive UMD checks all day erry day.

How can a humanoid mountain titan with a broken leg run faster than an adventurer in a full sprint?

Titan: One legged hop like you want to live murder.

As for what do: Have you considered climbing? Climbing is always the answer in DF2014, from what I've seen so far. Or possibly try bunny hopping. Don't know what kind of land speed that gets, but it might be worth a shot.

Yup. The only thing I'm aware of more capable of stubbornness than humans are inanimate objects.

M'mostly just wondering if we could train a crack team of e-sport playing chimps, m'self. That would be pretty great, especially if it turned out they were incredibly good at it. Less likely to have steroid jockeys get their arms ripped off by angry monkeys, too.