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General Discussion / Re: John Galt's Freedom Appreciation Megathread
« on: July 08, 2014, 02:28:53 pm »
Quote from: GavJ on July 08, 2014, 02:06:42 pm
However, politicians still need privacy to negotiate effectively etc. As long as the final bills are helping their constituents, it doesn't matter what they discussed in the meantime.
I have to say, this is kinda' amazing to me. We apparently shouldn't give a damn about how our representatives do their job? Only what pops out at the end. Right. That's how you elect a good representative in a democratic system -- by not knowing a damn thing about how the people in question represent you.

Personally? I kinda' care if my representative is getting me a personally favorable political system by bribing everyone else in the process with whores and graft. Or throwing some other aspect of legislature under the bus. I'd like to know about stuff like that. In a representative democracy, the constituents have a sincerely goddamn vested interest in knowing what's being "discussed in the meantime."

So -- no. They don't need privacy when discussing any freaking thing at all to do with bloody anything related to legislature, or a great deal else. Some things, perhaps -- maniac has brought up a fair amount. But most things? A lot of what currently is hidden? No. Bloody no.

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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you RRRRRRAAAAGGGGEEEE today: Futurecock Edition
« on: July 07, 2014, 10:42:15 pm »
It moved along fairly quickly for me in a smaller world -- but it's basically simulating another two weeks of worldgen, so yeah, it's probably going to take a bit.

It wasn't in the last version though, no. It's progressing time for two weeks, to let the effects of your adventurer/fortress/whatever pan out and mess with stuff.

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General Discussion / Re: [!!2014!!] HYPETRAIN FULL SPEED (Happy thread!)
« on: July 07, 2014, 09:17:50 pm »
Sweet monkey jesus you can grab things while in mid air.

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General Discussion / Re: [!!2014!!] HYPETRAIN FULL SPEED (Happy thread!)
« on: July 07, 2014, 08:41:51 pm »
Next, I have learned two things! One: Elf adventurers apparently start their career on the top of trees!

Two: I still have no idea how to climb. Whee! Splat!

E: No! The button is h! I CAN CLIMB, AHAHAHAHAHAHA

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General Discussion / Re: [!!2014!!] HYPETRAIN FULL SPEED (Happy thread!)
« on: July 07, 2014, 08:36:55 pm »
Blessed be, my first crash. Yelling hello at my deity made the game explode. Hello again, old friend DF.

Now I just have to go back and figure out how to climb things.

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Other Games / Re: Any Good Character Collector Games?
« on: July 07, 2014, 07:54:55 pm »
Well, if you're looking for something that lacks the first but has the second... the lost viking games. Also... Trine? I think it is. More recently.

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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« on: July 07, 2014, 05:34:16 pm »
Pfft, humanity won't even blink at the coming of the waifubots -- we'll just finish up the whole iron womb thing and call it a day.

And then space marines, but I guess that's more a positive than negative, I'unno.

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General Discussion / Re: A different take on alien invasion stories
« on: July 07, 2014, 03:06:53 pm »
Contemplation on how willing hypothetical individuals of ostensible note would be re: purging the xeno, mostly.

E: Forum ate half my message >_<
Quote from: Th4DwArfY1 on July 07, 2014, 02:30:05 pm
There is no indication of him caring about intelligent non humans because there were none.
Quote from: Frumple on July 07, 2014, 07:42:43 am
This strictly is because the encounters with the cat people were never put to text.
Every encounter with non-humans either subservient or hostile, absolutely no mention of anything else. Amazing how much that parallels history scrubbing tactics used in other places :P

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General Discussion / Re: A different take on alien invasion stories
« on: July 07, 2014, 02:24:38 pm »
Eh, I wouldn't be surprised if he did, but maybe not. I don't see him trying to interfere if everyone else did, though. I'd need more indication he cared about intelligent non-humans before I made that conclusion -- and I'm not really seeing that. Like I said, his actions toward those demons really didn't seem to indicate any love-thy-neighbor ethos extended to the xeno.

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General Discussion / Re: A different take on alien invasion stories
« on: July 07, 2014, 02:09:15 pm »
Well, that particular group of demons were allowing their home to break free of any bindings, and insofar as the text mentions, there is no indication it wasn't a willing contract. That sounds to me like both a good thing and not the type of demon that forces inhabitance -- hell, even when they left it wasn't them that did it, but christ that let them into the pigs. Apparently they couldn't go without permission.

As for the self-harm and screaming, well, apparently the guy was at it for a while. I'm not one to support cutting, and a noise disturbance et al, but apparently the fellow was considerate enough to move pretty far away from people before starting his racket, despite people trying to tie the guy in chains, and wanted to do so badly enough he was willing to put his body on timeshare to make it happen. Doesn't quite sound like the demons were the one that caused the mental torment -- enabled it, maybe, but not caused.

I have to say, though, I love the propaganda-like makeup this is taking. Both sides trying to paint the other in the worst possible light, and overtly put words in the quoted text's mouth to do so. Mind you, you two are reading a lot more into the nature of the demon than the anti-cat side, but well, that's the sort of mental gymnastics that occurs when you're trying to excuse the death of a couple thousand sentients.

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General Discussion / Re: A different take on alien invasion stories
« on: July 07, 2014, 01:53:28 pm »
Do remember the rest of the context, though. The landlord didn't even say anything about wanting them gone, they were just begging to be left to live instead of being ran out of town and offered a compromise. Which christ kinda' spat on. Pretty sure ol' jesus would have stopped 2k humans from running off and committing suicide -- assuming that was suicide, and the big J not forcing the pigs to go die, taking the sentient passengers with them.

As I said -- that particular incident really doesn't bode well for the argument that christ views non-humans as neighbors. I don't think them being embodied instead of symbiotic would make much of a difference. Still intelligent, still non-human -- J says, "Go drown in a ditch."

But sure, maybe he wouldn't actively campaign for driving the catpeople to extinction. Look the other way, though...

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General Discussion / Re: A different take on alien invasion stories
« on: July 07, 2014, 01:40:06 pm »
Well, St. Francis anyway. Remember, Buddha would go six finger death punch on the kittens. Maybe just catch 'im before the whole enlightenment bit, though then he'd just be stabbing them instead of six finger death punching. Decisions, decisions...

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General Discussion / Re: A different take on alien invasion stories
« on: July 07, 2014, 01:33:49 pm »
Seeeriously though, Jesus was perfectly content to sit and watch as a couple thousand intelligent non-humans he stuck inside pigs ran off and drowned -- after they basically threw themselves on his mercy, even! -- and then have some guy run off and brag about it. Love, that is not.

My interpretation of the christian ethos would preclude catmangenocidu as well, but I would hesitate strongly to say that jesus himself would have hesitated to go all purge the xeno/mutant on random catfolk. Everything I've seen point pretty strongly to christ, at best, really not giving a damn (beyond exploitation potential) about anything not human.

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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you RRRRRRAAAAGGGGEEEE today: Futurecock Edition
« on: July 07, 2014, 10:42:19 am »
Quote from: Akura on July 07, 2014, 10:38:03 am
it turns out in New York driving away after hitting someone is a lesser offence than staying.
What the hell? Seriously?

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General Discussion / Re: A different take on alien invasion stories
« on: July 07, 2014, 10:34:00 am »
... but why not? I can't recall anything biblical that gives anything non-human (beyond maybe the angels and god, but the former were effectively subordinated to humans and the latter is ostensibly on our side, so...) any particular value whatsoever, beyond the whole farm-the-crap-out-of-it bits. Humans were made in the form of God -- not anything else. Cat people wouldn't count.

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