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Eesh, been a bit since I checked the thread... as to this:

Soooo, about what % of this game is finished? Because it looks super complex, but at times it feels like it should have ten times what it does, like there are big gaps in the game. Probably because I cannot look up what things do. Wiki is barren.

The answer is kinda' wibbly. Mechanics wise, Inc was probably a good 60-70% complete, maybe more (but less than 90%, I'd say) at the point the original dev set it free. Much of the remaining stuff, so far as I was aware, was AI (re)development, finishing up prestige classes, subraces, etc., and those bits of skills and/or spells and/or abilities that would only function in the greater game.

Content wise, though... maybe 10-15%, if I had to ballpark it based on my understanding. Halls of the Goblin King is basically a tech demo -- more than that, it's a combat tech demo that specifically excludes several of the major intended combat scenarios (urban and wilderness, particularly). It largely excludes everything social JM was intending (from what I recall -- standard faulty memory disclaimers, etc.) to implement, the whole "overworld", "multiple dungeons", and "cities" things that were intended, and who knows what else. Return of the Forsaken was very much ambitious -- Halls of the Goblin King was just laying the major mechanical foundation that was going to build a much larger (both in terms of size, and thematically) game. If I had to kinda' wedge in an estimate of size, I'd say smaller than DF, larger than ADOM or ToME4. RotF sounded like it was going to have a lot going for it, and a lot going on.

Incidentally, the white paper speaks quite a bit on stuff like that, particularly the future development part.

If you make such t-shirts, I will start my own kickstarter dedicated to finding you, cutting you down, and rendering you into soylent ingredients.

More seriously, you should do an actual soylent green kickstarter. Cash to be used to bribe as consideration for people into allowing you to use their family cadavers as soylent mush.

Solid deadlines are the development devil, anyway. Summer is a good ballpark. Not telling which summer is a much better one.

Incidentally, I can guarantee the game will be out by some Tuesday. Some Tuesday is the best ETA.

Or at least funnel some of that military spending into more R&D on that side. Instead of superfluous ridiculously expensive jets or whatever they're pissing away money on today.

Also on stealing other people's science. That might also work, though I'd hope someone would do a cost/benefit analysis on whether it's cheaper to have other people research and then invade them kidnap their scientists or whatever instead of doing their own research.

Anyone know a better mining t echnique than just digging straight down into a cave and going berry-picking?

Would say best mining technique is to bust out a little modding and make a hyperpick that digs out 10x10 squares at max speed, or something along those lines. S'what I do. Then just run around wildly digging out whatever you run in to. Get plenty of all sorts of material doing that, ayup.

Alternately, aim for planets with plenty of loose dirt -- sand, gravel, whatever. S'much easier to mine those bits out, and there's usually plenty of minerals and whatnot in 'em.

...I don't have a gizzard...

Medical science can fix that.

Actually, a decent nail and a hammer can fix that, though I rather imagine being punched in the gizzard at that point would hurt considerably less than having a gizzard affixed to you with a nail.

Or tape, I guess, but there's less blood and screaming fun involved with that.

I vaguely remember the only thing I approached playing worth a damn back in the day was Ogre Magi. Loved that guy. Pleasingly simple, and for some blisteringly strange reason people seem(ed) to underestimate the guy a lot.

Think Death's Prophet might have been a second pick, but eh. I usually hit random, really.

... y'all do know there's already a DF DotA 2 steam group, right? Maybe more than one at this point, I'unno. Think someone rustled up a guild at some point, too...