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@Civ4: Yeeaaah, that was a bit mind boggling. Does look like there might be a temp fix, of sorts, though.

In other wtf news, that moment of self-reflection when you're doing something rather odd and... actually notice. In this particular case, the short version is the longer I'm left to my own devices in a building, the closer the likelihood that every pillow in said building is in the same room as wherever I sleep approaches 1. It's not even something intentional, just... something that happens.

And, well. I was half way through the process of looting one of the other rooms of its bedding when it hit me I was filching an arm full of pillows on autopilot. It was, like. Computer, check, drink, check, room's bedding, che-- wait a second. What?

Mind you, the response was "Oh yeah. Pillows." instead of stopping or anything, but... yeah.

@DW
Why is it no recommended for a rogue, considering he starts with ambidexterity already?
Just curious, although I'd rather go with a buckler for riposte.

Haha, well, mostly because rogues don't start with ambidexterity. Not naturally, anyway. Drow do, but rogues in general don't. Beyond that, you still want at least two-weapon style (and probably florentine style, if you're wanting to the dual-wield the same size weapon, as a warrior would) and a bit of base BAB bonus to offset the (lesser, with all the feats, but still existent) penalties. Otherwise even with taking an extra swing with regularity you still miss a lot. This is worse for rogues because they don't have full BAB progression, just 3/4ths, and probably want to be spending feats on other things (stealth, skills, etc.). Warriors ooze feats, and rangers can get free dual-wield ones from their combat style.

Created a new character, a Dwarf Paladin. First enemy in the first part of the dungeon kills me.

Why do I even like this game >.>

Because eventually you get to punch giant crab demons to death with your bare hands while hanging from the ceiling.

Been playing T4 since like beta 2, Z I know, I know.

And yeah, you should, but as I said, something whatever version of the blood knight addon I used at some point did made it so T4 will refuse to load unless the addon's going. Has to do with the bleed effect and whatever the addon in question did to it. Causes... to pop up. Even if the addon isn't even in the addon folder, it's a new version/install, and a new game. Could probably clear it out by excising everything ToME related from the computer and starting from scratch, but, well. That would entail excising everything ToME related from the computer and starting from scratch, over a problem that's only mildly irritating.

I made it to level 3 this time before I quit (on the first floor, damn those are huge), but I think Warrior may not the the class for me.
Doesn't feel rogueliky enough with the starting weapon focus, since that makes me not want to use any of the other weapon categories.

Yeah, if you're looking for a warrior that is a bit more willing to shift weapon choice on the fly, you can pick a more support-y weapon as your focus. Boomerang/chakram, ranged weapons in general, something with reach. With those, you'll still be using other weapons fairly regularly, and have no particular incentive to use one type over another.

Alternately, barbarians have roughly the same weapon availability, but no focus. Rangers and priests are about in the same place, I think. Conceptually paladins (everything but maybe monks, mages, and druids, really) are, too, but pallies are a bit of a PitA to play, so...

Good starting weapon focus for a dwarven fighter in incursion? Do you start with the weapon you are focused in?
I'm confused by the dozens of options you are presented with there.

Also what decides if I can use weapons with shields? They aren't marked as twohanded or anything.

Dwarven waraxe never hurts for a dwarf, ha. They don't have to burn a feat to get proficiency with 'em, and they're pretty much "battleaxe but better". Scimitar's good, as is rapier (high crit chance in both cases, strong defensive boost from the latter). Maul is solid, though with that you'll probably want to aim for monkey grip (Power attack -> monkey grip) so you can use a shield, too. I've always been fond of light flails, as well.

Really, just about anything will do (except maybe daggers... and even those, you can grab a level of diviner mage and pick up daggerspell for shenanigans. Blowpipes kinda' suck, at least.), so long as it's not the buggerhuge weapons (great maul, great lance, etc.), which take very, very particular builds to use (involving perked spells or items, or multiclassing, as well as particular feat choices. Unless you're a high level druid, anyway.). Probably best to stay away from the double and reach weapons (barring spiked chain, the most imba of weapons) to begin with, too. I'd mostly just say skim through this and see if anything looks particularly appealing to you, stat wise. Otherwise just skim through the options and see if anything looks pretty to you.

As for shield, it (whether a weapon is one or two handed or not, actually) is entirely dependent on size -- player size compared to shield and weapon size. You can naturally use anything your size or smaller one handed (unless the weapon says otherwise, as per quarterstaves or spiked chains) -- this includes both weapons and shields, with anything larger than you requiring two hands. So, as a dwarf, you can use almost any medium (human sized? Forget which the game uses) or smaller weapon and medium or smaller shield together right off the bat, no other monkeying around.

The monkey grip feat will let you one-hand weapons one size up, so you'd be able to use large or smaller weapons one handed (though I think it doesn't apply to shields, so you'd still be stuck with medium or smaller shields, as a dwarf), and shield and spear lets you treat reach weapons specifically as one size smaller, so long as you're wearing a shield (though again, I'd probably recommend not messing with non-spiked-chain reach weapons for now. They're a bit more finicky than non-reach weapons.).

Frumple, I suppose I could help out but I am nowhere close to a beginner and I don't know what a beginner really needs

Yeah, that's the problem. Even beyond that, when I was first getting into incursion just about everything felt very intuitive to me -- Inc was one of the first roguelikes I ever actually beat, and one of only three (out of hundreds played), along with crawl and ToME4, I've won more than once. I can answer a lot of questions, but figuring out the questions before they're asked is... more troublesome, heh.

Mm... closest to it would be some of the DitL (roguelike term for a Let's Play, mostly) writeups over on the google group, I think. Here's a link, pre-searched.

The original dev let it go open source... what, a few months back, now? Choose has been working on bugfixing (and has fixed up several major and a whole host of not-as-major ones, already) and whatnot, and I think a couple other people might be taking cracks at it, as well? You can get the latest version over here.