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Quote from: Owlga on April 04, 2014, 12:00:13 pm

I've actually been told a few times that I have a severe lack of empathy, on the basis that I have extreme difficulty's showing emotion outwardly.

I don't understand how one is supposed to imply the other.

This. It is difficult to impossible for me to display emotions outwardly. Or even in words.

Some variation of blunted affect, if you were looking for a word for it.

You could spend the next 2-3 generations becoming the best hobbit chef in the world. Who knows how many different wonderful meals you could make out of prime hobbit flesh?

Quick google says this may or may not help. At the very least, it might give you some numbers to call (or at least names to hunt up more recent numbers) that'll be able to direct you elsewhere.

The short answer, though, is if there's not free services being offered or you can't avail yourself to what's available... yeah, it's probably going to cost you something.

Yeah, I'd probably fit best as a beginner. As with MM, I've mucked about with theory and whatnot plenty (and played bunches of single player, for what little that's worth), but never actually got around to giving a MP game a go and I've got a number of habits that I know are massively suboptimal play, ha.

As I noted in the mainline thread, me joining in would be contingent on team members potentially having to take over for me until a sub could come in, or something along those lines. I'm coming up to the beginning of an active job search period and all that entails, and things could get frisky for me in regards to computer time. I'm fairly sure I'll manage, but I'm not 100% certain I'll actually have computer access the whole period, so... yeah. Planning for backup would be a good idea.

but it's insane to argue that he should have anticipated the tides of public opinion and his career path several years in advance. It's pretty much unreasoning hate at that point - a guy did a bad thing, so he deserves literally any bad thing that happens to him.

Except that's not really what's being argued, I'd say. It's been noted repeatedly -- this guy could have saved face easy. A simple "Hey, my bad." or "That was ill-considered of me." (even if he's just talking about the relative stupidity of making a public donation to a potentially controversial movement) would likely have been enough -- and if not, dropping an equal donation to an equal rights movement of some such would have burnt off the rest of the enmity. What's a thousand dollar "I was an idiot" tax to a CEO salary, yeah?

If it were as little an issue of not anticipating public opinion and career path -- and unfortunately, right or not that's exactly what you're having to do these days, if you're not willing to just blanket avoid anything that might cause problems -- simple spin could have solved the issue. And you do not need to be in a CEO position if you can't spin, these days.

And it's like I said. You screw up previous and don't run damage control -- you're done. For a businessperson, that's arguably right and proper -- as many have noted, one of the primary ideals regularly proposed is to not let personal convictions get in the way of business. If that means your personal convictions cause you to need to suck it up and apologize to save company face, you suck it up and apologize, whether you mean it or not. Managing PR is part of the job description these days. For everyone, but especially management.

What happened to this guy was not, perhaps unfortunately, unreasonable to have happen to a high level manager nowadays. Maybe it should be different, I'unno. All I really know is that it isn't different, and it's going to get worse before (if) it gets better, if you're against this sort of thing.

I don't see how his private political views are of any relevance for Mozilla.

Apparently they weren't private if he was making public donations, or insufficiently private if it suddenly became news. Regardless, if he's going to be a major figure in the business, the company's market dislike his political views, and that market knows of them, those views suddenly become very, very relevant to the company.

Moral of the story, really. If you're going to have political beliefs, don't make them public.

Wait, wait. What does it being illegal or not have to do with anything? Most people don't get fired for doing something illegal. Most folks don't even do something as bad as buggering up their public image before getting fired. Not that the guy got fired but close enough.

S'just... yeah. From the company perspective, he's not being treated like someone that was involved in a hit and run. He's being treated as a high level manager that did something that negatively impacted his public image re: the company's market and then failed to run sufficient spin on it to come out smelling like roses. That... is probably going to get you fired. Quite possibly should, for a high level manager -- PR is damned important these days, as the situation is showing.

Him not having politically correct views is bad for business- but he wasn't the spokesperson for the company- and had a board of directors who were there to prevent any of his worldview slipping into his policies (or he did, before they all left).

Nah T, maybe a decade ago he wouldn't have been a spokesperson for the company, but today? Today, if you're a manager that's anything but the most inward of inward facing -- and probably even then -- you're a spokesperson whether you like it or not. Or will be in a few years. Same for employees, really. That's one of the other reasons (besides increased productivity) that companies are frankly starting to meddle in employee lives. The concept of genuinely "off the clock" is being steadily eroded. Least in the states, ha.

*shrugs vaguely* Suffering, maybe not, but accounting for? Sure. You do damage and don't run damage control, yeah, that's going to kick you in the arse a decade later. Supposed to or not, that's the reality of the situation these days. Blame the internet -- people effectively no longer forget. Six years isn't even that long ago.

And again -- you put up incriminating facebook photos when you're 15? That can cost you a job when you're 21 here in the states, easy -- and the likelihood of it doing so, especially with any serious positions, is increasing. I'd say this situation is no different. E: Well, except that it's actually someone at the top taking the shot to the crotch this time. Shoe's on the other foot now, haha!

Same reason you make all the food and drink barrels out of lead. What else are you going to do with the stuff?