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Might as well go full balls out in that case and replace the Quarians with Skaven or somethin'.

Quote from: Xantalos on January 17, 2014, 09:10:52 pm

I would also like to see it.
Rasta Venom, anyone?

Rasta Venom sounds like the name of a Jamaican metal band.

An' now choo got meh wonderin' wha' 'appens when 'eavy me'al an' ragga slam t'gether.

S'actually a sound I don't think I've ever heard before, and the concept intrigues me. I like me some reggae, and I like me some metal. Put it together and... what comes out?

Isn't Mecha Fighting the skill used for all shield blocks - ranged and melee?   ISTR that's the case, and why I always tried to work the skill into my mix...

... quite possibly. It's entirely likely I've forgotten, heh. I know it's armed combat or whatev' that governs it for SF:0 stuff (and unarmed doesn't do jack defensively without a trait or two), but if there's not a separate thing for mecha melee methods, then... yeah, it'd still be good for that alone.

And yeah, mecha-punching stuff to death has consistently been roughly the second best method of getting full scrap (the other being headshotting stuff with a cockpit in the head).

Mm, yeah. Beyond that, it's worth noting in regards to the late game that, unless you're specifically limiting yourself, there's very little preventing you from becoming very skilled in pretty much everything. Once you can churn through a dozen and change sewer levels, the sewer cleaning missions can very, very easily pull in over a million in cash per run, which can then be milled into the trainers for even greater skill gains (which can go into a bit of a positive feedback loop -- more money means more skills means more money), ultimately resulting in you having skills in the 10+ (or as arbitrarily high as you feel like grinding for) in everything with very little in the way of actual effort. GH1 is... pretty easy to break, really.

And yeah, storm pistols are pretty great. The Novastorm Buru itself is kinda' junky (like most of the Burus, really... better than the worst, but not exactly good), but stripping its weapons for something a bit more dodgy is almost always a great idea.

Iirc, mecha artillery ends up being useful if only because of nukes in the late game. Don't exactly need a huge amount due to the whole gigantic AoE thing (AoE and SCATTER damage has a massive bonus to hit), but...

Quoting from the other thread to help consolidate things in here...

Unless you 'die' then you are unhappy once again

The easy way to "fix" death unhappiness is one of the northern towns, I think the one kinda' in the middle of the map, near the mountains. Forget what it's called, obviously. In it, is a masseuse (... or a hotspring. Possibly both. Something along those lines.) who you can pay for services. Said services are a massive happiness boost -- it only takes one or two goes to go from full red to full green -- which can then be maintained by conversation and deluxe rations quite easily. Maintaining perpetual stat boost from happiness is quite simple once you've got the cash to stop by regularly, heh. Which doesn't take too much... it's not very expensive.

S'also a very good place to swing by after a long sewer mission, since your morale will be tanked before you're done racking in those millions.

Frumple: That was precisely the point of my example - this 'problem' has occured before. And when labour becomes more abundant, it will be used in more places - large-scale unemployment drives down wages, more jobs become profitable*, and eventually an equilibrium is reached. And that doesn't even include genuinely new types of employment, like the ones that arose during the Industrial Revolution.

Heh. I think I had a teacher once that kind of obliquely referred to that as the "tire problem" (not in those words, but it gets the idea across). Last time you drove down the road, your tires worked. The time before that, when you drove down the road, your tires worked. Means absolutely nothing in relation to whether they'll work the next time you get on the road. All the times makeup of the labor force has changed, there's been room for it to adapt, places for people to go. Labor became more abundant and got used in more places or places not previously used. That's not a guarantee it'll happen again*.

The worry is the proverbial tire has worn down -- the treads are soon to be gone. No more places to use labor, or at least not to the extent necessary to support people.  All the labor in the world and the cheapest of wages will do no good if the machine still does the job cheaper, or one person can do the work of twenty (or thirty, or etc. -- and since that twenty or thirty and one are competing over the same resources, you're going to see some of them, possibly most of them, left out.). And in general, once the workforce has shifted away from one sector due to productivity improvements... they don't really shift back.

Hopefully welfare will catch the slack (and improve in places like the states), but the obvious worry (especially for us poor bastards in the states ) is it either won't, or won't be prepared enough when the potentially inevitable happens.

*Mind you, it probably will happen another time or two, but eventually...

It all depends on the price of robots, really. Assuming that a robot is cheaper than a human in every job probably won't be true.

Mm. Yeah, but full automation isn't the only problem, remember? The other side of it is productivity improvements. "Stupid" software alone is putting people out of work simply due to not needing as many to do the same work. Simple database software can make a lot of paper pushers superfluous, just as an example. What happens when it's cheaper to hire one human to manage multiple registers (due to ubiquitous communications improvements, perhaps) than individuals for each? There's only so many stores that can manage to be open, and so many people that would be needed to run them. And if -- when -- that's not enough for the whole (or, at least, enough to support the rest) population...