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Old people, you cannot aim. Please lift the toilet seat.

Sincerely,
The Person Who Cleans Up

Previous level: Rolling over a dark god like it's a chump.

This level: Getting shitkicked by frog people.

If there's one thing that can be said of Aedis Eclipse, it's that the game's balance is completely and utterly borked right to hell. Not entirely unenjoyable, but it was as silly to have received a character capable of literally one-turning like half the first campaign's (good 20+) maps within the first three maps as it is to run into frog dudes capable of bending the big bad over their knee.

... who said a single thing about being surprised by it? What I've been noting is that sort of reasoning is exactly what leads people toward supporting unethical organizations (or at least the unethical actions of certain organizations) despite largely not being malicious, themselves.

It is immoral to work for walmart. It's immoral to shop at walmart. Their business practices are basically exactly what an ethically concerned economic system does not need. That doesn't stop many people -- myself included -- from doing just that. Other concerns supersede the fact that they're supporting an unethical organization. Short term considerations -- often necessarily, because you can't fix things if you can't eat -- override long term considerations. Just plain ignorance often factors in, too.

Again. That doesn't make the actions ethical. It doesn't even make them not unethical. It just means one's principles have a price. Not caring enough to -- or having strong justifications not to, or just being unwilling (or, to a degree, even unable) to investigate properly -- do anything about one's own unethical actions does not magically make them not unethical.

If that's not enough to change one's actions then. Fine, yeah? That is what it is. That's most of what needs be said of the person's ethical character. The horse is a horse.

And yet again, you're making the downright false assumption that everyone sees it an unethical. Which they don't. In fact, most see it as a necessity.

No, I'm making the assumption/statement that, to some degree, it (or, at least, some of it) is unethical. It's very easy to see something as either not unethical or necessary if you're ignoring or (spuriously) justifying unethical action. A lot of really nasty shit has been done over th'course of history while a majority of people thought said shit wasn't unethical, or was a necessity, or had some kind of excuse why it was acceptable even if it wasn't ethical.

Which brings it back around to 'will I be harming this organization more, or myself more?' With the answer quite obviously being "I am the only one who is hurt by doing this, as it in no way impedes their goals, and will only result in those with less concerns about privacy be those in charge."

Whether the organization is hurt by one's refusal or the one refusing is hurt by refusing, is utterly irrelevant to whether aiding the unethical actions of an organization is or is not ethical. There is literally no connection between those points. Being unable to influence the actions of the organization in question by your refusal or experiencing some degree of personal loss because of it does not magically make going on to commit unethical actions, ethical.

Yes, it's one of the great pains in the ass about attempting to put ethical concerns at the forefront of one's decision making. All too often it means losing out on very advantageous things, or accepting that you've traded an ethical foundation for said advantages.

There's something to be said for the last bit -- infiltration, so to speak, is a thing -- but in that case a person's basically saying, "By committing little evils, I can prevent larger ones." That doesn't change th'fact that they're committing unethical action. It just means they've got a goal they consider worth the immorality. That goal may be worth it -- sometimes it's even admirable, in a certain, that a person is willing to shoulder that burden in order to prevent a greater degree of immorality. That doesn't change the nature of the acts in question, nor does it entirely excuse the person in question for committing such acts.

I think that Lava is one of that things that is going to be preventing people from going through the center of the earth, if I recall correctly, so I doubt it'll be easy/doable to build in it.

Supervillain plot Goal N+1: Planetary Core Transfusion.

Lack of HR department does not preclude BS HR responses. Also petty revenge, like. Isn't going to help anything. At all.

And thus the people learn the origin of the grecian folk warning, "Ware where your eyes wander lest they get poked out by the hump god's nipples."

Xena is an educational TV series! Powerful exposition on ancient history.