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Th'last bit GG... yeah, pretty much. The fence will slam and we'll be back to trying to wedge it open for whoever's left, until there's no one left. At least until we shove someone else over the fence, at which point the process repeats. It's... not an easy task, or a small one, or a sure one. It's monumentally fucking incredibly difficult because, well, we're fighting thousands and thousands and thousands of years of cultural and quite likely biological impetus and for every step forward there's a fairly large chance it'll slide back. Only way we have at the moment to push the project forward is to keep at it. By and large it's worth fighting for, y'know? Th'project of improving a species is a large one with few gains and many setbacks, but... it's better than it was. Somewhat, in some ways. It time, it'll improve further, probably. Chance worth rolling the dice and investing the effort in, anyway.

Hopefully one of these days we'll get a decent ethics and psychology class-equivalent shoved somewhere early in the development process and actually start nipping this shit in the bud, but, well. So many practical barriers, auuu.

GG, on one hand I hear ya'...

... but on the other, getting folks to that point, where they're at least recognizing exceptions or doing it to help friends rather than because it's the right thing to do, is generally acknowledged to be kinda' "Step One.", as well as one of the most effective methods we have for making inroads against ingrained discrimination.

It's been a year or two now, but last time I was updated on current "best methods" for trying to break down bigotry in general on a practical level, literally the best thing we've got is to get in on that personal level, get them to think of people near them as exceptions, and get at least that much done. Because from what psych and sociology has seen, that's about the only fucking way at all to break into the mindset surrounding bigotry. Nothing else works. There's not really an option two.

S'just... I'unno. Yeah, it's kinda' depressing, but on the same hand that's kinda' what we're dealt with. That's how humans work. It takes the stars aligning and pretty specific and consistent training to get people to give a shit about what's right instead of what helps them and theirs. It's just... should implies can? Or something. Being depressed about not getting better results would imply that better results are possible and that's... arguable.

My aside would be that a certain degree of misanthropy is probably understandable for genuinely ethical individuals. Our brains are kinda' rat bastards in a lot of ways. You have to break what a human is and reshape it for there to be something moral left over, because that doesn't seem to really be our default state.

I'unno. Disjointed, tired. Been awake too damn long. That article and your reaction does actually leave me a little hopeful, because it points to improvement and eventual greater improvement. Another couple of generations and that particular issue will no longer be one. You're probably not going to get it happening because of any ethical reasons and it's not going to expand to a general non-discrimination thing (because that would likely take outright social engineering on a very, very blunt level, because humans just don't fucking work like that naturally. In group/out group bullshit is just how the general cookie crumbles), but if we get the in-group to expand sufficiently we can at least get something approaching a functional equivalent for that particular issue, which is better than it is now.

And then hopefully you start work on whatever other group is being targeted, and just keep doing that. It would take some seriously heavy handed shit or absolutely incredible social change the like of which has never been seen to actually break our tribalism inclinations (which is more or less the root cause for xenophobia/bigotry) for something less conducive to discrimination.

E: And then Lagslayer ninja'd me like a boss. I really wish I could take a nap right now

Catching back up with Cast in Gold, I find myself wondering...

... what kind of ridiculous horseshit would happen if, say, Ciphas Cain Exalted? Or... Horus or something.

Basically, how much of an exponential bullshit increase would there be if you overlaid Exaltation with WH40k. Honestly, "what would happen if X Exalted" is always an interesting question, but... still.

What do people do with their computers that such advanced cooling systems are necessary?

... computers get hot (seriously: If you point a monitoring program at your computer right now it's probably closer to 100F than not, and a strong CPU and heavy use can inch that toward boiling.). Keeping them cool helps keep them from melting. From what I've noticed, liquid cooling tends to be generally more effective than the "less advanced" stuff. So it's not so much necessary as more effective (and presumably a net gain in terms of parts life time and maintenance.). Plus the aesthetics are arguably more impressive, heh.

i think you misunderstood.....

its not immersing the components in water, its using liquid coolant in tubing to take heat away from components.

otherwise i agree. immersing things in water, especially electronics is a baaaaad thing to do.

Well, not just immersion... liquid cooling in general is fancier than just blowing air through the system. I think.

And they do have full immersion cooling systems. They're pretty awesome, if... somewhat impractical for general use Very, very effective, though. Even the smaller scale personal computer level stuff.

Frumple: Exactly why Predators carry a nuke on their wrist in case they die.

Yeah... that'd happen probably once. After which sedation and psi domination become the SOP until they figure out how to remote deactivate the things from a distance

XCOM's pretty good at live capture.

Hadn't heard of it, but going by the vault entry it does seem maybe kinda' interesting? Potential problem being that I don't think everyone that's been showing up has CEP, and more than that anything that pushes the engine as much as it claims to is... probably risky. We've been having a certain degree of technical issues, heh.

Might be worth a try, though.

So... with regards to the attempt to hunt down a persistent world...

... any luck? I'm seeing a few that look vaguely interesting (Among the ones still running on this list), but not much luck in finding one that would be, ah. Independently hostable, I guess you could say? UPs sto connect to, but not so much files to host with. And I'm unsure how desirable that would be. I could kinda' see the appeal of not being bothered by random... other people, heh.

Where did I say significant? It's still not bad, per se, just more thereof. A nuisance, not a hygiene issue

And there's still keeping the grater itself in good order. More effort, bleh.

... probably not enough to justify the price difference, but... still.