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Replacing fake words with other fake words.
Science. Language.  ::)
FTFY ???

Fake word has got to be some kind of paradox statement, really...

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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« on: March 23, 2013, 09:14:53 pm »
Doodling... there's a good chunk of my college notes that have nearly as much ink on them as white space. I'd do (still do, if I'm writing stuff down for personal use) a sort of pseudo zen tangle thing that often ended up filling in all the empty space between actual notes. Some folks noted it looked kinda' like the cellular structure of plants >_>

Except, y'know, the size of an 8x11 with bubbles of legible writing floating around in it. Kinda' hypnotic to look at. Seemed to help focus a bit -- keep the hand occupied while the mind and eyes paid attention to the teacher. Ended up being fairly pretty, too, in a rather chaotic sort of way.

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General Discussion / Re: You're starting a new society!
« on: March 23, 2013, 08:08:57 pm »
This was one of the threads I was thinking about, though I think there were others. There's a few links in there. There's other stuff like that floating around the 'net and elsewhere, as well.

I'd probably imagine there'd be at least some modern tools in the box. Small crank generator and a netbook might take less room than paper et al, and if you can get some other means of data transference (paper, stone, whatever.) going in short order you could probably transfer a lot over to more lasting mediums before the electronics in it failed. Providing you did that, you might be able to fit in a nice little cache of jump start equipment.

Even if you did go with paper, something like the EB would probably be a bad idea -- there's a lot of stuff that wouldn't be very useful in it, and space is your primary resource. You'd ideally want texts based on the current state of various fields (chemistry, metallurgy, agriculture, etc., so forth, so on), with an emphasis on theoretical procedures on how the point was reached and how to go forward. And usability in a low tech environment, of course. Probably not written in english, to boot... some kind of cypher (shorthand, etc. Might be able to get really fancy with that and have texts that provide different information depending on which cypher you filter it through.) or a more concise language would be ideal (again, space!). Then maybe a bit extra in regards to ethics, etc. History would be kinda' useless, but fiction scenarios constructed both for readability and to highlight whatever values you end up going with would likely be ideal. You don't want to lose universal literacy, so making reading as interesting (and useful) as possible straight from the start is probably a good idea.

Government wise, it's kinda' hard to say. Most of the issues that sort of thing addresses isn't going to pop up until you've actually got a population large enough it becomes necessary. S'a long term, generations away (many generations if you're handwaving away the inbreeding thing, as it'll take a while to get a notable population going with a five person start, even assuming nothing buggers up along the way), issue. Dealing with that would be... tricky. My personal likely suggestion would just be to start and foster a heavy tradition of ethics, logic, and solid rhetoric, and see if the problem can't solve itself. A highly educated anarchy-type thing (there's a term for it that I'm forgetting, but whatever. Enlightened, maybe?) might be an interesting experiment.

Idle considerations: You might want to start out further south than Britian. A milder winter'd make it less likely you have trouble making it through that first few years. Critters aren't really gong to be an issue if you bring along a knife -- spend the first day carving out a few javelin throwers and fire hardening some sticks and you've basically ended any threat the animal world presents, to say nothing of the dozens of other tricks our species figured out when we bent the varying parts of the world over our collective knee. Real issues are disease (this might be a big one, dunno) and vermin of varying sorts, not larger critters.

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Only allowed to destroy humanity if it's via turning it into something better, sorry. Going through that route's fine, though. Dat's the good end.

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General Discussion / Re: You're starting a new society!
« on: March 23, 2013, 05:51:25 pm »
Paper making actually isn't that involved in regards to infrastructure, iirc. Mi madre made some by hand over the course of a couple days at a camp-thingy a long while back. Pretty rough stuff, but processed wood pulp is processed wood pulp. It's not a monolithic undertaking.

Ink might be more of an issue, but there's plenty of natural pigments from what I recall. Know-how and interest (reading and writing wasn't very wide spread, after all.) was more of an issue for early papermaking than resources and effort, as I recall. Doing it en masse is a bigger issue, but with such a small starting population that's a pretty far off problem.

You might consider looking into one of those DIY wiki things running around... there's been a couple linked on the forum a bit back, and basically exist to collect and organize means and methodology of going from the exact situation you're dealing with to industrial+ in the shortest period possible. I'd be printing and laminating one of those buggers to stick in the box.

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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« on: March 23, 2013, 07:26:51 am »
... that, uh. That's not sepia.

That looks more like Khorne went on a bender and just vomited all over the joint.

But no, dust isn't exactly a problem in Florida, especially not in one of the coast towns. Too wet. But yeah, pretty much everything except the air. No fog. Unlike that, which includes the air.

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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« on: March 23, 2013, 07:15:37 am »
Usually when that happens, it means a storm is coming. At least where I live.
Ha, yeah. Was just heavy cloud cover mixed with early morning, was pretty obvious just from looking up. It's now pouring like goddamn. Beautiful way to start the day, shame these sorts tend to not last very long 'round here. I've seen it plenty of times, was just a bit more sleep addled than usual. Bit of a "Too early to deal with brown world, fuck this noise." thing.

Plus it is a little WTF to look outside and it look like someone applied a sepia filter to reality. Gets me every time. Divine totes needed to add some atmospheric old-school jazz to that, though. Creator gods just lost some style points, for all that matters (they were already way negative :P).

E: And nah LW, no shades. I don't even own shades. I mean, that doesn't matter much 'cause people around me do and I can borrow them, but there's none in this house or in my car. The nearest shades I have access to are like forty miles away. Barring stores, and bugger that.
E2: Also shades are sunglasses except when they're window coverings, alright? Alright.

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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« on: March 23, 2013, 06:56:55 am »
*wakes up, looks outside*

*world has turned sepia toned*

*stare*

*closes shades*

*goes back to bed*

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Necroin's generally not frowned on providing ye've got something meaningful to add besides just advertisin'. Even just talking about the game again or sharing something interesting. Keeps clutter down, yeah.

Usually if threads are dead it's cause interest has faded, unfortunately. Has anything actually been going on with BSF lately?

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I seem to remember a few different threads for this...

Any particular reason for bringing it up?

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General Discussion / Re: MSPA Homestuck
« on: March 22, 2013, 09:55:17 pm »
Probably be a much shorter and more concise story with a god-tier Granny Weatherwax running around, though. Doubt she'd put up with the degree of bullshit that went down :P

On the other hand, I have terrifying images of Greebosprite and Casanunda the Thief of Heart. Makes me wonder if there was a stepladder in the strife deck list...

E: In retrospect, Greebo might fit right in with the whole paradox clone thing...

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General Discussion / Re: MSPA Homestuck
« on: March 22, 2013, 03:16:34 pm »
Good gods that took a while.

Just finished reading from problem sleuth to the current page. Took... four, five days?

Good music. Rest was nice, too. Time to RSS this bugger and ride along slow. Cheers, folks!

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Is the world such a place that it can not be both? Has reality become such a gaping void of horror that such things may no longer persist in duality? I think not. Light still exists in this realm.

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Other Games / Re: Tome 4: Tales of Maj'Eyal
« on: March 22, 2013, 02:34:32 pm »
wilder_oozemancer = true

No real need for spoiler, really. It's not exactly an in-game thing.

Also, this has been updated for the latest version.

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I think. I think there are woodpeckers in this area. At first, I thought it was just some asshole banging on something. But it's been going on pretty much constantly for days. Days. Without meaningful interruption, beyond stopping when the sun goes down. Bangbangbangbangbangbangbangpause. Bangbangbangbangbangpause. Repeat. Repeat. Repeat.

I'd be throwing shit if I wasn't fairly sure those little red feathered bastards are endangered. Last time I threw something in the direction of a bird it was a BB, the bloody thing was a couple hundred yards away, I wasn't even aiming, and the bird died.  And fell into the pond it was over. A rock isn't fired from a BB gun, but the point kinda' still stands. Also peoples houses and windows and stuff, for the inevitable misses.

Point being there's what sounds like a cross between popping popcorn and a firecracker going off, going off basically unceasingly. Has been doing so for hours (days). And shows no signs of stopping.

It's getting annoying.

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