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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« on: March 18, 2013, 03:21:23 am »
*vague shrug* Presumably they're just killing their workforce for some reason. Folks that actually have some clue about cause are likely either not going to say a damn thing or blatantly lie about it if word ever goes public.

So. Basically. It is unknowable. Without higher level information access, anyway. Which will probably never be accessible, or only come out in a distorted form that shifts blame on some scapegoat. Go go corporatist dystopia tropes, whee! Why the hell are these people pulling them out when we don't even have the matrix or hookerbots yet!?

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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« on: March 18, 2013, 01:00:42 am »
About the same where I was at, really. They'd come in a couple times a semester to check for fire hazards (kinda' important, 'cause the way the sprinklers were set up if one went off most of them would, dumping enough [stagnant] water into the rooms to basically ruin goddamn everything. Or at least that's the line they fed us. No one was stupid enough to risk thousands upon thousands of water damage fines landing on their head, amazingly.) and, like, infestations and illegal crap but that was about it beyond AC filter changes.  'Bout the largest "imposition" I remember was related to alcohol if you were rooming with someone underage or fire hazard related stuff.

But yeah, leaving the place a mess carried a fine if you just dipped after the semester was over and left stained everything and ruined furniture and such.

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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« on: March 18, 2013, 12:36:34 am »
Ha, meant after the students left. They'd fine yer arse for leaving a mess in the ones I stayed in, but they still sent folks in between semesters to make sure things were straightened out and they were under the general maintenance department stuff. Replacements were 'cause stuff broke due to no fault of our own.

... and yeah, echo Siri. Dude want to start a fire or something? Maybe have to cover the cost of a replacement? Eesh.

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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« on: March 18, 2013, 12:27:38 am »
Why would maintenance handle this?
S'who got called in for stuff like that in the dorm I was in. Couple microwaves got replaced (not due to something like that, but still) and a fridge. Covered cleaning and crap, too.

As an aside, why was the freezer's plug loose to begin with?  The scenarios of freezer jiggling intrigue me. Normally those things don't get moved much, I'd think.

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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« on: March 18, 2013, 12:23:54 am »
Also might want to, like. Inform housing? If you haven't already. That's kinda' a big fuckup, and they might have maintenance handle it or somethin'.

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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« on: March 17, 2013, 02:18:13 am »
There is... something that sounds kinda' like a seagull making noises outside my window. At two AM. And judging by the sound, on the ground.

Like with the kazoo beast, I'm not going to actually check to see what the fuck it is. Freakish expanding doomspawn can stay safely undisturbed. Though this one honestly sounds more along the lines of a facehugger or something. Less inflating and leveling your house, more clawing into your chest and devouring your innards.

Either way. It can stay out there and I'll leave it alone.

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Two letter transposition by sleepy brain made that statement somewhat horrifying.

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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« on: March 16, 2013, 04:49:45 pm »
Not so much required as still useful. It's more' like learning quantum physics by mastering artillery triangulation. Could still learn quantum physics by just studying quantum physics. But you can learn it by dropping shells on people, too. Or a combination of the two.

So you could get to grandmaster soil growth just learning soil growth, but you could also get there via learning how to demolish the countryside. And being able to the do latter also means that when the Jubjub bird comes calling you can set it on fire and not get eaten. So the magi pick up some muderskill because, well, why not? You still reach point B but something's less likely to be able to eat you on the path there.

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General Discussion / Re: Soylent Green Is Real, People!
« on: March 16, 2013, 04:22:47 pm »
What soylent basically is, as far as I can tell, is one big vitamin.
Plus some protein/fat/carbs, which may be cheaper to get a hold of unprocessed. Which would still leave the rest of the stuff being a good idea, yeah.

Have you actually looked at the list of stuff that he makes sure to include in soylent?  It's a lot more than what's in any multivitamin.  Most of your super-cheap foods are just filler with very little nutritional value.  You'd have to take a wide variety of multivitamins to cover all the same ground, and probably still have gaps.
Yeah... I just checked the list versus the multivitamin I'm currently taking (which is actually not the one I normally default to, as someone else picked it up, but eh). and everything that's on the essentials list (barring the stuff mentioned above that's normally in food) is in 'em. The extras would require getting a few extra things, though, yeah.

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Other Games / Re: Tome 4: Tales of Maj'Eyal
« on: March 16, 2013, 04:10:14 pm »
1. You kill a dreaming horror by hitting it until it dies. You've just got to (mostly) hit your way through its massive regenerating psi pool before you get to the squishy health bar.

Dreamscape is an arcane monstrosity I'm only half aware of how functions. From what I understand you swap control to the clone thingies and attack the horror. Every clone thingy you lose is like 10% of your health when the dreamscape ends, and killing the thing that dreamscaped you while inside said dreamscape ends it. Something like that. There's better information on T4's forum.

2: Everyone loves regens and wilds, really. Manasurge is pretty useful on certain AB builds since they can be a mana hungry little monstrosity, especially before they get a larger pool to work with, and is of course very useful until you get the mana regen talent going. Teleport's nice until you can get an item based escape of some sort (psychoport torque, tele amulet, whatever). It's one of the better escape inscriptions.

3. Whatever. I usually go heavy since it's got solid egos and such for an AB, but light armor or cloth would be fine, too. Massive's probably a bad idea until way late game at the soonest, because as you note it causes some pretty hefty resource issues.

Incidentally, most things are affected by fatigue, not just a few. Only things that aren't are equilibrium and vim, iirc. Maybe hate. Mana just gets hit twice as hard as most other things.

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General Discussion / Re: Soylent Green Is Real, People!
« on: March 16, 2013, 03:52:06 pm »
Vitamin supplements and less than three meals a day, yeah. It's certainly not good, though, no, and I'm aware of that -- most of the reason it is like it is is 'cause I just can't seem to manage to stomach a lot of the healthier stuff, though I try off and on. That said, it hasn't killed me quite yet and I've be doing basically the same thing for about seven or eight years, now. Weight's been stable, don't get sick often, doctor visits that occur have been overall positive. Long term's probably going to have a bit of trouble, but it's honestly healthier than a lot of people I know eat ('course, I'm a mostly rural southerner so that may not be saying much), and many of them are up in their seventies and eighties now and doing alright.

I wouldn't recommend my diet for most folks, no. But again, it's more an example than anything else. I eyeball prices on a lot of stuff I don't personally eat, and you can get something with a much better spread for roughly the same price, especially if you're buying in bulk and whatnot. Most of my contention was with the price being mentioned as cheap than anything related to health (The number crunched $5/meal is something like double or better what I've been operating at, and 150-ish for a month is about $70-80 more than I usually spend -- and I'm not actually crunching down and getting it as low as I can go.). I'd have to see some price per unit to be able to say if you can manage the same nutrient intake for less, at least in the area I'm in. But, as mentioned, I'm somewhat dubious. Vitamin supplements are incredible cheap (on a per-day basis, anyway) from what I've seen, and using those to fill in nutrient gaps seems like it might be more economical from a cost perspective, at least in the area I'm in (And, as mentioned, a cursory look in a larger city was only showing a 50-100% increase in price, which would still likely fall below the slurry's price point).

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Other Games / Re: Tome 4: Tales of Maj'Eyal
« on: March 16, 2013, 12:55:35 pm »
That quest is the entire reason you keep basically any demon telepathy items you happen to find laying around. Also, keep the fight away from the jeweler as much as possible. there's a bit of a bottleneck up top (though AI changes may have made that more unreliable... I haven't had the scroll drop in a while) you can use for that.

Amusingly, though, the first time I did that quest the jeweler soloed the boss. I think it was because of the poisoned water or something, but it was pretty incredible anyway. Or at least it was incredible once I found out there was an invisible doomboss that spawned :P

And there's a guaranteed source of a voratun amulet! S'just that if you're actually able to get it the end fight should be a breeze >_>

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Eh, IIRC he only wanted a ban on soda's of a certain size, and to be honest I think it would be a decent move towards better health... (this is from someone who loves Coke / Pepsi but resists the urge to drink it very often. Except now because you've got me thinking about it. GODDAMN)
Y'know... thinking on it, that almost sounds more like a corporate kickback of some sort instead of anything health related. Larger sodas tend to cost less per ounce pretty much everywhere, so banning them would actually be a pretty good way to increase profit for the soda companies on the sly. "Health" makes a pretty good smokescreen for "buy the more expensive (but functionally identical) product", really.

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General Discussion / Re: Soylent Green Is Real, People!
« on: March 16, 2013, 12:47:28 am »
Taste is fixable. Trust the Frumple on that one. Particularly combining a few different staples at one time (cooking a couple of days worth of food in one go) with limited seasoning (and while seasoning by weight tends toward pretty expensive, by meal it tends towards very much not so. Couple bucks worth of pepper or a bottle of soy sauce will last you a good couple months (60+ meals, or 3-5 cent per meal) and only be like two-three bucks or something) can work a whole array of wonders, as can either of those alone. It takes a very small amount of other things (again, notably more by weight but generally very little per meal) to do impressive (or at least sufficient) things to a pretty wide variety of staple foods.

I've got basically a rotation where I rotate between a couple of sorts of noodles (mac and cheese, ramen, occasional varying sorts of pasta), rice, and potatoes as my meal base, and then whatever other stuff I've got on hand (usually cheese, occasionally meat, a few different sorts of sauces and seasonings). It is a little samey at times, but there's enough variation and enough unique tastes among the combinations to keep me sane with only the occasional more luxurious food indulgence. Most expensive non-luxury (not meat, not cheese, no seasoning) I eat is something like 12 cent to the unit of measurement (usually either ounce or gram), and most is less. The luxury (/perishable) stuff runs up to about 30 cent per unit, but gets spread out over a couple weeks (or a couple months) of meals which, again, makes a by day influence of maybe twenty, thirty cent/meal at the high end. And I don't exactly optimize, t'be honest. Someone actually working at it, and with a more varied diet, could do a bit better. Minimalist cooking like that really isn't difficult at all, you just have to muck around a bit to find out what suits your tastes.

And dude, if ramen's running you at like 75 cent a pack, we could probably set something up so I could buy it in bulk and ship it to you for an overall reduced price :-\ That's like. 600-700% increase over what I'm getting it at. Get enough of it together and the shipping cost should be mitigated.

... alternately just find whatever that's in your area that's cheaper. Rice is cheaper than ramen (particularly the very large bags) where I'm at for some ungodly reason, iirc, as an example.

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General Discussion / Re: Soylent Green Is Real, People!
« on: March 15, 2013, 09:53:22 pm »
Frumple: You can eat for much less per month that this would cost, but can you eat as healthily?
Maybe. I don't, but as I mentioned a vitamin supplement is freaking cheap, and a bit of diversifying (without increasing cost much, which is doable if entailing more effort and perhaps being less viable for higher food cost areas) with a supplement or two to cover whatever you're missing with that diet isn't going to increase the cost much. It'd be easier to give a straight answer if there was a genuine straight answer as to just how healthy this guy's stuff is. My general point was that most people (I've seen and heard about, which is an admittedly limited sample. I'd call it sufficiently representative for my society though.) seem to be utterly terrible at shopping for food, really :P

And Kin, problem with that list is that most of the things on the pure malodextrin side is going to be on the just food side as well, unless we have an absolutely massively freakish population redistribution (that I'd wager solid money is impossible to manage with our current population) go down. Topsoil alone is a limited resource, and less industrialized farming practices pretty much inevitably produce less per square yard or whathaveyou (which means that scaling back increases the amount of topsoil needed in order to sustain the same population). I'm actually in the air on the subject until I can find some solid numbers on it, but my current inkling is that heavily scaling back into subsistence farming would entail a great deal of deurbanization and population reduction that our societies probably aren't capable of surviving, and would probably entail a degree of loss of life to be viable that it's not a tenable solution to... anything, really. An inevitability, perhaps, but not a solution.

There's efficiencies to scale and automation/industrial techniques, as well, that just aren't possible with sweat of the back labor. 'Course, I doubt you're suggesting to stop industrial style farming entirely any time soon, but I'm personally still very cautious about suggesting we're capable of doing much of it without some incredibly serious drawbacks. Perhaps less drawbacks than letting things continue the course, of course, but likely enough to make widescale implementation a flat out impossibility, due to social backlash if nothing else (and there's probably some something else involved).

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