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And now we have the total lack of understanding of the effectiveness of deterrence in relation to crime prevention. Huzzah!

I'd totes drop in and, uh. Watch? Still not level 30, ha.

... or competent, but that's probably never going to come so yeah~

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Throwing in for this one! PM'll come as soon as I open steam and find something interesting and cheap

Gets a lot easier once you've unlocked the pub/tavern/etc. stuff for places-not-your-starting-provice, which is a few shards into the campaign. There's also a few guards (well, at least one I've seen so far) that boost province mood, though the only one I've seen so far is pretty puny re: defense. You can also just say, "Meh." and slap down a fairly solid guard (patrolmen's my standard, so far, which reduces discontent increase slightly t'boot) and let 'em rebel. You get a hefty discontent drop every time you knock a rebellion attempt down, though I don't think it effects mood any.

Then as mentioned, there's various random events, which can adjust province mood in either direction. Some of those have set results depending on your actions, but... some don't. Watch out for those. You occasionally find blueprints for special buildings you can build (ancient shrine's the one I've seen the most) for a fairly hefty price that have major mood shifting effects, too. Can drop those down on particularly troubled provinces you don't want problems from.

As for the discontent itself, the most common factor seems to be how you conquered the province. Bribing, ferex, almost always causes none while attacking when you can pursue peaceful solutions often cause some (particularly notable with the alliance races, who get pissed.) discontent. One interesting thing I've noticed is that provinces you conquer from your enemies default to quiet when you take over, even if they were a raging rebellion slurry the turn before. It's sometimes a decent enough idea to let your enemy conquer lizard/centaur/whatever provinces along your border and just take 'em from them, if you can manage to do that and keep it.

Ah, MSH, let me put it in clearer terms. High School did more damage to me than it did benefit, on pretty much every level. Academically, I got worse. Socially, I got worse. Psychologically, I got worse. The only social lesson I had reinforced by high school was avoidance, and that did nothing beneficial. Pretty much every gain I've had related to what you're talking about either occurred outside of high school entirely, outside of normal classes, or after I got out -- as near as I can tell, I'd probably be notably more psychologically stable and socially able if I had avoided more of the experience. I've met a few people over the years that were literally traumatized by their experience during that period of their life (I roomed with a fellow that would wake up screaming about a fifth of the times he slept, due to certain events.).

I'd not call the high school experience a necessarily beneficial (even if unpleasant) one. It depends on a lot of variables, and I've so far seen pretty strong indication there's other venues to exploit for exposing children to the potentially beneficial aspects of that sort of education and socialization.

E: Well, being fair, it did lay the foundations for later realizing that a poorly designed and half-implemented creche system is a terribly ineffective way to manage anything useful, and that the education system in my state is pretty bloody terrible, but I'm pretty sure that's not what you're getting at

Frumple, it's a little more complicated than that. [snip]

Nah, I'm aware of pretty much all that -- my own madre was in the sort of relationship you're in for quite a while (though, uh. Older, and perhaps not quite so physically involved.) and became somewhat familiar with the legalities involved. I've got total agreement that things would be considerably better if the legalities were more equitable -- not just for homosexual couples, but for varying stripes of heterosexuals in long-term relationships that don't wish to define them as marriage, as well.

I just don't have a very high opinion of legal marriage itself, mostly. Placing so much weight on something so... I'unno, mercantile. Seems to cheapen the supposed sentiment behind the ceremony itself, y'know? 'Bout the best way I can put it, at two AM. Wish we'd just dissolve marriage as a legal concept entirely, define everything legal by civil unions or whathaveyou and leave the personal/societal nomenclature in the hands of the people in the relationship or society.

Quote from: Frumple on December 15, 2012, 02:06:15 am

*Can start by looking into fairly old, at this point, research into priming in regards to violence and work your way forward and around. It's not something we want in a classroom, especially for younger kids.

I'm genuinely curious, could you point me in the right direction to look into this?

Give a google for "priming violence sociology", sans quotes. Seems to be pulling up a bit of related material -- I'd have to dig out one of my textbooks to cite the specific study I'm recalling at you. Which... if you're interested, I could PM something to you sometime tomorrow. Too late to go digging through the car to find the book, heh.