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Other Games / Re: Solar War: X-Com in Space
« on: November 17, 2012, 11:31:22 am »
In the demo, at least, I found fighters to be kinda' useful even once tech was maxed out... because you could build craploads of them and they were so flimsy the enemy apparently preferred to target them, especially if they were up close. Given that they can only blow up one fighter per weapon, if they hit... it worked pretty well as kinda' ablative shielding, so to speak, for everything actually important. More useful on defense than offense, though, as you need a supply source to keep the "shield strength" (i.e. mass of fighter bodies) up.

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General Discussion / Re: Atheism/Theology Discussion
« on: November 17, 2012, 10:07:54 am »
Nrg. Logic is more like a concept system built around a number of axioms, though, not just a single monolithic one. There's multiple full functioning logic systems that only share partial axiomatic bases, and we're still doing work in the field. Some of the more recent stuff I've seen looks pretty interesting, if somewhat nascent ("Fuzzy logic" et al... non-binary stuff. S'neat, though I need to read like... massively more on the subject.).

Point being that whichever logic system you're decrying probably shares some axioms with whatever you're decrying because of, as Leafsnail sorta' points out, and so your system has the same problem if logic does. Logic axioms tend to be incredibly basic stuff, even in relation to other axioms, so many other concept systems at least have a couple of 'em in there.

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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« on: November 17, 2012, 09:42:30 am »
... seriously, marshmallow cream is delicious. You don't eat large amounts at once if you don't want to get sick, but a little bit goes a long damn way (I've snacked from a single jar for... months. Three, four, maybe more.). The stuff is incredibly sticky, and actually takes a lot of effort to eat if you're not just consuming it off something like bread. Leave it on the spoon or whatev', impromptu lollipop.

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General Discussion / Re: Atheism/Theology Discussion
« on: November 16, 2012, 10:15:36 pm »
But what if they can influence something that can hurt you, though?

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They sound like they'd make delicious sandwiches. Other than that, no clue.

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General Discussion / Re: Atheism/Theology Discussion
« on: November 16, 2012, 09:55:52 pm »
Is evolution real? Is it a lie? Well we can figure that out by observing speciation, and we have! You can question the methods used in the experiment and the application of collected data and the precision of instruments and what have you, but at the end of the day when those issues are addressed, and they have been, it has still been clearly observed. Now, should you have the right to think over wise?
Gods, of course we have the right to think otherwise. It'd be the absolute height of hubris to assume that our "addressed issues" aren't going to be just as flawed as pretty much every single bloody other one we as a species have had in the past. Doing otherwise is setting ourselves up for another Galileo or two dozen down the line. Clearly observed entails "to the extent of our capabilities" which necessarily means finite and flawed, at least at this point. We've got really good ideas of a lot that's going on but we're not even remotely to the point we're done writing the book yet.

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General Discussion / Re: Atheism/Theology Discussion
« on: November 16, 2012, 09:47:42 pm »
The current topic is dangerously philosophical, but it's not something I hear discussed often so I think we're treading non-circular ground for once.
Ethics of belief is only tangentially related to religion, yeah. As for Max W's thing, I think the major reason we've currently mostly subscribed to a kind of "anything-goes" in the realm of belief is because that's been the system that's so-far been least capable (though, of course, note that least is not un-) of being abused, or at very least is the least troublesome to roll with. If you hold that there's reasons to disallow certain sorts of belief systems, things get hellaciously complicated.

There's a number of folks that have chimed in on the ethics of forming and holding belief, though, most of them outside of theology so far as I know.

It's fine to think whatever you want. It's when you start pushing your beliefs on others that the problems start. Also, who said your beleif isn't going to be criticized? If you have the freedom to voice your beleif, other people have the right to voice your beleif that their beleif is wrong.
See, there's a problem with this thought: Numerous times in judeo-christian-Mosaic-based scripture, (all the Bibles, the Torah, and the Qu'ran), it states clearly that people are to go and spread their beliefs. If you don't, you're disobeying your religion, and risking eternal punishment.
The method of spreading your belief can vary, though. It's not all shoving bibles down your throat and hellfire and brimstone and swords. I've ran into a few Christian believers who hold that proselytizing is done strictly through action (or to be more precise, it's a necessary consequence of proper worship; "walk with god and others will come and walk with you", kind of thing), and who only spread the word, so to speak, when it's directly requested and even then not as a "this is the truth" but a "this is the truth that has worked for me" thing. I'm fairly sure there's a bit stronger thread of that in some of the more predominately eastern religions, as well.

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Other Games / Re: League of Legends Updated! - End of Season 2
« on: November 16, 2012, 06:01:13 pm »
Bigger question with that item is exactly what "spell damage" means. Because if it's any magic damage at all... I know the blackfire torch had something like that, and it didn't work with, say, Teemo's E, but if L's Torment does... squee. Torment/mallet build, here comes teemo. Maybe.

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Other Games / Re: League of Legends Updated! - End of Season 2
« on: November 16, 2012, 02:59:15 pm »
That'd definitely bring about an annoying optimization thing where you pop your ult up every time you're back to shop or whatever though, wouldn't it? Even (especially?) without the homeguard thing. At least if you have the tear and your ult.

Though it'd overall bit a bit... silly. Because sitting in your base farming up the tear would be... not being else where, farming up the tear and getting XP. It'd take... nine minutes and some change (187-ish procs with a 3 second CD = 562-ish seconds, or nine and a third or so minutes), I think, to fill the tear if you proc the mana increase every three seconds on the dot. I... I guess if you had to go AFK for a bit you could leave it up?

Is, uh. Is the tear getting filled up a thing that actually happens regularly? Looking at it, that's a lot of casts, really.

Amumu with a lil' mana regen's probably going to like it, though.

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General Discussion / Re: American Election Megathread - It's Over
« on: November 15, 2012, 11:56:01 pm »
Yeah, it's definitely high up there for me, too. S'one of those things, though... I could stand a minor setback there if it meant major inroads elsewhere, especially in areas that'd leave people in a better situation to fix the setback later (economic/education improvements, ferex), especially if the setback is something, well, like video game censorship. It's a risk, and it's more than a little dangerous to give any ground on the subject, but if the benefit for doing so was large enough and the cost small enough... I could see myself saying okay, at least for the short term, and on fairly trivial issues.

That's kinda' exactly how the buggers trying to push this crap get'cha, but... yeah. I've got my lines in the sand but it's a little further away than commercial gaming, y'know? Providing the payoff for letting it slide for a few years or whathaveyou was sufficient.

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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« on: November 15, 2012, 10:39:37 pm »
Feels, RK. All I can really think to say is that I hope the process goes smoothly and y'all manage to work out whatever works best for the kids. Don't need an already difficult situation made worse, yeah.

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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« on: November 15, 2012, 10:30:47 pm »
online course
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speech class
How... how does that even work? Doesn't an online class defeat most of the purpose of a speech class? I mean, I could see a hybrid with most of the scut work done online and then weekly or biweekly meetings on campus or something, but... entirely online? For a class that, I'm guessing, is about public speaking?

Did teleconference technology jump ahead massively when I went to sleep last night or something?

But yeah, the email/phone number thing is bullshit and I'm kinda' surprised it's legal. Got a counselor or something you can check with?

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General Discussion / Re: American Election Megathread - It's Over
« on: November 15, 2012, 10:21:18 pm »
Political censorship, sure. Censoring violent games? No. Have some perspective, please. It's not at all the same thing.
It's an inroad, though, which does make it pretty close to as dangerous. That said, it's not as an immediate threat as a lot of other BFDs in the great web of american cockups, so if that was her worst screwup on the BFD side... that'd be pretty damned impressive. I haven't actually paid enough attention to that clinton to say if it is, but while censorship's definitely high up on m'personal list of political concerns, there's other ones that are even higher, especially in relation to less direct things like video game censorship (ACTA-esq shit would be a different kettle of fish, though.).

Don't mistake it, though. That "have some perspective" bit on censorship is exactly what some of the fuckwads trying to push shit through are after. Little inroads, here and there and there and there, until they've got what they're after.

And apparently the kind ninja MZ has noted some of Sen. Clinton's other BFDs that are considerably more immediate issues. So, yeah.

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General Discussion / Re: "Why don't women like nice guys?"
« on: November 15, 2012, 08:53:58 pm »
... sometimes it's just to make the world a better place. Most of the stuff I'm aiming to accomplish on a wider scale than just personal (I hope to teach, some years down the line), I don't expect to pay off until I'm long, long dead. If I were to try to put it in... not quite clear, but somewhat closer to the intent, language, I'd say that there can be a personal incentive in improving the world's aesthetics; not to make the world a better place for yourself, but instead to simply make it one that's more attractive to your sensibilities, even if doing so gives you, personally, no direct or indirect gain. To do good for the sake of doing good, et al.

On the personal scale, most good acts I do, I do because they make the world more... attractive, y'ken? Painting by the dance steps instead of the brush. The world is only an ugly place if we make it so.

The rest are optimization, usually. 90+% of the time, "Nice" acts just pay off with less investment. Being mean usually takes too much effort for too little reward and too many burnt bridges :-\

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Other Games / Re: Solar War: X-Com in Space
« on: November 15, 2012, 06:50:25 pm »
Even in the demo there's tech (hydroponic farms or something is the start of the line, iirc, though there may be more) that can turn colonies, at least, into net positives in terms of production, though outposts, yeah, are necessarily upkeep drains. Beyond that, you've got extending the distance your fleet can go (resupply) and mineral extraction, and sometimes outposts are necessary to get colonies around the sun shadow or whatever, I guess. Plus the whole denying the planets/moons to the enemy part. Much easier to keep them off when you can build defenses, yeah.

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