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Soup/stew cans really need to be more goddamn explicit about their onion content. Frakking hate onions. Gonna' eat this crap anyway 'cause I didn't notice before I opened the thing, but arghlewargle. Will be drowning the fuck out of this thing. Hopefully block the taste out.

P.S. That won't happen. Damn onions to the fiery pits.

I... can't really recommend anything, but you might try trawling through the 7dRL stuff. Folks sometimes get a bit experimental with those, though they tend toward much, much shorter (/less gameplay in general) than something like Elona offers. I'm pretty sure there's a few that emphasize non-combat stuff, I just can't really recall any off the top of my head.

No. Children helping out and working to support the household or just because they lived in a household with lots of work, like a farm, is not the same.

And no, that wasn't the main reason people had kids back then. The main reason people had kids was because they liked fucking, and goat bladders make awful condoms.

Yeah, not really. At least insofar as everything I've seen regarding marriage and suchlike in most historical societies goes. Marriage, procreation, family creation... they were all a lot more practical, if you will, for most of human history. People didn't have kids because fucking is fun (though it is), they had kids so they'd have farmhands and things to barter to other families for dowries and suchlike. Partner choice was more about family connections and fecundity than anything else. Romance and reasons beyond what were essentially economic hasn't really been a big concern insofar as that sort of thing goes until very, very recently (in a relative sense). You had kids because you needed kids to tend the land (/send off to work/etc.) and keep the family going, and you wanted as many as you could get because that was how you made sure those two things happened.

Net hiccup made response come after, but... I think it still applies. Most of our history it was more or less the other way around -- sex being fun was the benefit. It was the kids you were after.

You honestly can't see any difference between kids helping out because they have to in order to get by (and because the only way to learn a trade was apprenticeship) and a man gathering as many children as possible and raising them in Aw cheaply as possible in order to turn a personal profit?

Yeah, there's a difference there, but it's divorced from the historical context MSH was talking about. It's only been recently that kids were anything but a net profit, so that latter bit was pretty close to the de facto state of things. The primary reason they tended to stick to blood kin instead of orphans was due to concerns related to marriage and marriage equivalents, so far as I understand it.

... providing you're not somewhere like florida. Outside here generally just means "hominid bug buffet". Mumblemumble mosquitoes muttermutter fleas grumblegrumble ticks gnashing-of-teeth etc.

Then there's the humidity. And the heat. Bright side it's looking like it's vaguely starting to cool down for the year, which is... something. Relatively cool down, anyway. A little.

Huh, can most antisocial people cite an event or series of events that led to them being so? I've just sort of always been shy.

I can certainly point pretty easily to the timeline of events that have led to me being fairly intensely uninterested in general socialization. Most of my life's been spent in an area that's almost entirely openly hostile to people who aren't bigots. You don't seek other people out as much when doing so has a 98+% chance of leading to conflict. Especially when the conflict wouldn't be constructive in any sense and has a not inconsiderable chance of causing assault. Too much stress and strife for absolutely zero reward and much punishment. Avoidance becomes the norm, hm.

I actually do alright with most things that aren't "small talk" but I'm a little too comfortable being quiet to really keep most sorts of social relationships going. Doesn't help that pretty much all of the normal cultural interests I'm, well, not interested in. Sports, sex, TV, gossip, various intoxicants, so on, so forth... just doesn't do anything for me. I talk more when there's something to talk about, but with most of the population, well... there just isn't anything I'm interested in talking about.

Not hateful about it in the least, though! No doubt to a large degree because I've been mostly incapable of feeling anger for like the past decade and change. That's what happens when losing your temper could end with broken legs or being homeless, at least in my case. Anger is a privilege I couldn't afford. Meditation and philosophy's mostly done the rest of the work of getting rid of it. Generally, my life seems to be the better for it, though it does mean I give out odd signals at times, heh.

Mostly you just learn to love the quiet. It's not actually that bad, but it's occasionally difficult to communicate with others as to exactly what they're dealing with when we're interacting beyond the facile. Sometimes hard to get across that their means of pleasure -- which is very much culturally normative -- simply doesn't rustle m'jimmies. S'like... no, I'm not really sad, or angry with you, or dislike you, or anything, really. I'm just happy as-is, y'know? It's lead to a few interesting conversations, though.

Or something. Disjointed, as it's midnight, and etc., and so forth, and so on. I'm a humanist, really, I just have a fairly thorough dislike of my cultural norms. And a good decade and a half of off and on meditative practice left me somewhat hypersensitive to most forms of sensory input. Most television and radio is hell to me. Literal torture after a while.

I don't get why people wish that they were asexual. I just wish I were getting laid.

I think it's mostly the thought of having an actual off switch, maybe. I wouldn't mind hormones as much if they had a overt toggle, or if dealing with them without involving other humans were a bit more culturally accepted. Same for sleep, eating, etc., so forth, so on. It's nice, but it'd be nicer if there was an actual choice involved there, and not just physiological pressure.

Being able to remain high functioning without romantic interaction or a facsimile thereof is probably high on the list, too. As I ken it, the thought is that while being in a relationship can be nice, and etc., and so forth, having the constant urge to be in one and experiencing a drastically lower quality of life when not would be... well, pleasant. More pleasant, anyway.

The latter bit doesn't really hit me, I guess. I occasionally yearn for warmth and being able to trust someone, but it's not a very consuming thing, or really has much impact in my life. When I feel like that I just make my bed extra comfortable and curl up under the blankets and take a nap. Better than nine times out of ten, the affliction's gone when I wake up. S'nice, in a way.

*peeks in*


Is it over?

Is today Tuesday?

Except that what's dull and pointless to some is a fairly fulfilling life to others. I'd be pretty comfortable chilling without much in the way of creature comforts and doing volunteer work off and on, maybe do some creative work, rather than trying to fight through the commercial environment in modern times to get more useless junk. If I could manage it and not starve or end up on the streets. Consumerist society's not very well equipped to motivate certain world views, really, at least insofar as getting them into the general economic system of the place.

Sounds pretty much like a PC rune factory which... I'm down with that. Emulators tend to run a bit slow

Annnd there's an RSS on the main site. Good, good, now I don't have to actually remember this exists. Go-go external automatic memory updating!