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Have you ever lived under the poverty level?

Yes.

Going with the other questions...
So, how'd you get out from under it?
What's your sure-fire strategy that other people should use to out from under it? It would seem you believe it is possible with right action for anyone to escape the condition. Perhaps some details?

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As the aside, should isn't a particularly imprecise or fuzzy concept. It's just a prescriptive statement indicating best action or rule. When a person says "should", if they're using it in the general sense, they're saying that they find whatever follows to be the most appropriate action or situation, and thus something that is rightfully assumed by other people, i.e. become a rule or law, in other words a universal (at least in relation to the subject in question; the subject can be as large or larger than existent reality or as small or smaller than a single group or person) pattern.

E:As a later note, realized after some idle rumination, LB, your confusion over should statements seeming to be preference statements is likely a very natural confusion -- it is absolutely true that most people would prefer it if the actions prescribed were followed or the situation described organized as such. However, that preference is separate from the prescriptive statement, despite generally accompanying it. It's understandable how you'd conflate the two (and, being fair, prescriptive statements are often misused in an attempt to add greater authority to preference statements), but they are in fact separate things. Perhaps that makes things more clear for you?

E: If you'd really like, I could give a little breakdown morality 101 lesson and provide a more clear picture of exactly where prescriptive statements stand. Be a bit of a derail, but not terribly much effort.

If shorts are not pants, then I'm pantsless roughly half the year and not-pantsless the other half. That's California weather for you, I guess.

Despite it being Florida, I'm pants-wearing in public pretty much always. This is specifically because of bugs, thorns, and poison ivy.

Once of these days I'm going to get around to finding a material that breaths well, doesn't get destroyed by being wet, and doesn't tear easily. I will make an entire goddamn wardrobe from this material, and go gallivanting through the woodlands and swamps.

Was talking to the hypothetical Posing Pouch Man superhero. Normal pantslessness is fine. I don't think I've worn pants in like, five or six days now. By the American definition of pants, anyway.

Are you going to turn into a gremlin?

I have no idea! Let me add some water and see.

*drinks*

Nope. At least unless the water's supposed to be applied in some other method. If so, I'm not trying that.

As for the not posting, it's mostly because I seem to skirt the forum ToS more when I'm particularly sleepy. Eh.

Still waiting for someone to correctly guess where the avatar actually came from! Then I shall laugh at us both

That. You target an enemy and it'll move you directly away from the thing you aim at. Disengage is  somewhat problematic because of that, actually... it's not really an escape tool, but rather a mid-fight reposition thing; hop out of melee real quick, lay down some pins or slows, go back to laying down the ranged dakka. Something you preemptively to set yourself into a more attractive position rather than once you've taken damage.

As an escape it's only really useful for breaking LoS by knocking yourself back near a corner or corridor and hopping in that, buying yourself another turn or two for the actual escape methods to become ready. Problem being you do actually have a target, which can make it somewhat unattractive in certain situations (quick moving enemy just outside your vision range, around a corner, etc.).

Still. It is pretty decent for archers, maybe a couple of other classes; ones that can make particularly good use of a short breather. 'Course, late game disengaging often doesn't do much besides open yourself to the enemy's deliciously violent array of mid to long rage death, but hey, what can you do

Pretty sure no one thinks, or has every seriously thought, that those making above average should be giving everything to the poor. I'm not sure to call that line of thought strawmanning, but it's pretty close. More back to the society that allows them to succeed more than most, yes, but that still leaves them better off than pretty much anyone less successful.

If you're looking toward actual proposal, well, that bare-bones of survival is what most people seem to be asking for. It's definitely what I'd want to see -- an actual guarantee that even if things fuck up royally and sequentially, my society's going to see me through it. Enough you can feed, shelter, and cloth yourself -- not fancily, but enough you don't starve, can get out of the rain without trespassing, and have at least a sliver of dignity left over.

It's what the US doesn't provide. Things go poorly enough long enough and you can die of starvation or exposure in the streets with fuckall other choices available unless you get really damn lucky and someone decides to help you out after the systems in place drop you or you resort to crime (be it as minor as squatting or theft of food), or be stuck in a dead-end, miserable job shoving half your life up some corp's ass just so you can feed and house yourself. That's the "choice between work and starvation" bit, and I see way, way too many people stuck in it.

Me, I'd be happy to heft over half my income if it meant a universal stipend for basic needs and a solid public services base. If I could afford to get out of this country and go somewhere that did that (and they'd let me in, a considerably less likely occurrence), I'd have been gone yesterday

Yeah, life's got a habit of dealing us bad cards, but it's the individual's job (not Uncle Sam's) to go through the work and effort to get dealt new ones.

As for this, though... I've seen too many people that's put forth every damned ounce of work and effort they can manage and get no new cards dealt. Good, hardworking, capable people in a situation where shit just refuses to get better. When that's the state of things, we've got problems. Part of the fixing of it is not denying the problem exists.

Download?

Just to save some lazy people a google search. Was on first page searching for just "Sil" though down a bit.

Anyway, Sil's pretty darn decent even if I'm not particularly fond of it myself

Haven't played too much, though. Too busy playing T4, and Sil's a little too minimalist (I guess) for me. Or maybe just too *band, even though it's about as *band as T4 is nowadays.

Maybe I'd just like it better if it weren't Tolkien? Tired of Tolkien based/heavily influenced roguelikes at this point, I think. At least at the moment.

Long live the Fifth French Republic, may it reach the weekend intact.