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Shops are... usually (usually) more of a security net than primary kit source in T4. They're there for when the first four dungeons drop no healing, regen, or shield runes. For when you don't stumble upon a water breathing source before you reach the underwater caverns in the east. For when your melee dude hits level twenty three without finding a pair of rush boots. To get a weapon capable of doing more than spitting ineffectually at things on that level five rogue. For when you can't find a quiver or pouch with more than like eight shots before you clear out old forest. Things along those multitudinous lines, all of which I've encountered before

They're a lot more useful, also, when you know exactly what you're looking for in kit and want to get it as soon as possible. The dungeon givith, but it often givith what that focus slayer would rather be using instead of what the sword and board slayer you're actually playing needs. Stuff like that. It gives you a fallback for when the dungeon isn't cooperating, or a jumping off point to get you to better stuff. I've not had many characters solve a make-or-break thing with shopping, but I've had a lot made considerably easier than they otherwise could have been.

And then occasionally you find that invig/speed dragon leather boots in lost hope, or that verdant/eyal plate, or that psychoport torque, or... well, you get the idea.

Any tips on where to go after you finish the starter dungeon? I tend to breeze through that, then wander the overland map until i find something interesting, whereupon I'm usually horribly overmatched and die in a heartbeat.

There's at least five other dungeons in around the same level bracket as the starter. I recommend Norgos lair as a second dungeon (follow the treeline east from derth, there'll be a little opening that leads to a town and two dungeons; you want the one on the left. You can roll a thalore if you want to just start there.), or trollmire (probably your starting zone, for most races). Then withered heart (to the right in that little culdesac), kor'pul (just west of troll mire), scintillating caves (start a shalore; alternately, go south from derth a ways (past the mountain range on the left) and you'll find another little zig-zag opening in the trees) and then the rhaloren camp, just west of said caves. That's all the first tier dungeons that everyone has access to -- dwarves and yeeks get two more, undead and the celestial classes all get one extra (the extra doesn't stack ).

Then you've got the tier two dungeons (you can reasonably start taking these around level eight, level ten, though clearing out all the tier one dungeons will usually put you in the 12-15 range). Old forest is just south of derth, and the maze is just west of it; the maze is probably the safer of the two. Then you've got the sandworm lair on the beach to the west, past the mountain range the maze is beside, and daikara a bit past the norgos lair area, a bit north-east of Zigur (town in the middlish of the map, more or less on a lake. If you've got mana (and a few other resources), you won't be able to see it); daikara's the hardest of the tier two lot, kind of a tier 2.5, before dreadfell and the rest of the game.

After all that, and possibly somewhere in between, is a bunch of randomly placed extra zones you can roll for loot and XP, followed by dreadfell, one of the only two actually required dungeons in the west. Dreadfell is followed by fairly easily followed plot stuff that takes you where you need to go

Ahahaha, yeah, if they actually did manage to nab the house dude for vimes, or just something equivalent... ye' gods alive. Discworld buried in poorly written slash fanfiction. It would be a thing of terrible majesty.

Though I now have a rather morbid curiosity as to what the main ship would be. Not sure if I want to attempt conjecture. Or see conjecture attempted. Also studiously avoiding mention of conjunctu-- ah, wait. Crap. Too late.

Yeah, the unfocus freeze thing is... kind of a known issue. That's been plaguing T4 since like, beta three or something. Long bloody while, though it's currently a little less finicky than it has been in the past. Bit of a nuisance, particularly bad when you're running video or flash in the window you swap to. Less strenuous stuff is less likely to cause it to buggerup, but yeah If there's a surefire fix other than "don't swap windows" I haven't noticed it, unfortunately. You can usually manage forum browsing and chatting and stuff... just not flash, or video. I've never really managed to get a comment from DG about it other than stuff along the lines of "T4 is a jealous master" There's a couple threads about it on the T4 forum, though, if you feel like reading up a bit on it.

As for the birth option... no, not so much. You do get to start off with the transmutation chest, and you can certainly skip some or (if you're really on the ball) all of the tier one dungeons, but there's nothing that starts you off at, say, level ten with a decent kit spread and the first tier dungeons locked. You do manage to unlock a couple of other campaign modes that offer some quicker action, particularly arena mode. Infinite dungeon is fun, but brutal and a half, especially if you don't leave the vaults the hell alone

It'd probably be pretty possible to code up an add-on for dungeon skip/accelerated start stuff, though. Not my cup of tea (terrible at coding), but someone could probably manage it.

Our body hair is much too fine to keep warm, anyway. Look at the Inuit and other tundra-dwelling people. I have no idea if they have decency laws, but they wear plenty of clothing at all times.

It makes a helluva difference in warmer climates, though. At least warm and humid ones. There's an extremely noticeable difference between fuzzy and not fuzzy in Florida, anyway. Similarly, just dropping the head-top hair apparently has a seriously notable effect on personal heating. What I'm saying is that it actually does a pretty good job of trapping heat, even the relatively little bit most of us seem to have. Probably has something to do with the amount of heat we give off in general, though...

Try this... it might be a few is several versions out of date, but I don't think it'll have any problems. I think that's all the races/classes, but there's a few minor things still locked, I believe. Newer stuff, like the transmutation chest on birth and junk.

If it doesn't work, and no one beats me to a more effective version, I'll run through it again tomorrow with something actually functioning; I'm quoting myself from quite a while back on an iPad, so I don't have access to the t4 computer to actually double check things

Give it another deacde or so. Then we'll see

... muscles is a unit of measurement now? How does pounds translate to it, anyway? Maybe you meant mussels? 210lbs of mussels?

Time to go memetic darwinism on some fools?

Is that a thing? If not, can it be?

... though technically, isn't that image, in fact, a meme? Or at least the image as a symbolic representation of the transferral of ideas. Something like that.