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Quote from: forsaken1111 on August 30, 2012, 01:28:10 pm

Quote from: Girlinhat on August 30, 2012, 01:06:28 pm

No.  We capture the serpent and train it to attack our own people.

That comes much later, when one of the young get the taste of dwarf blood during an accident involving a shovel, a high speed minecart, and not less than four goblins.

Only problem: you are playing as the humans this time around. Therefore the accident equation would instead involve tesla coils, minced spike menace and a baby stuck in a high pressure valve under the sea ♫.

Fixed for little steampunk mermaid segue.

Yeah, that's the Room of Death. There's a cheevo for killing those buggers. Most combos can't manage it, especially when they first walk in to the vor armory. Come back when you're 50

As for escape methods on an alchie, you can itemize for it a bit. Double up or teleportation runes or go tele/movement infusion, get ahold of some escape items. Natively, you've got gem portal which is kinda' anemic but sometimes useful. Dwarves have a similar talent for their forth racial, so you can kinda' stack it if you're feeling like it. Shalore get a global speed boost from their first racial talent, which can help a lil'. Everything else with some movement options (Yeeks, ghouls, though the latter involves some trade offs) is probably locked to you, currently. Then there's a talent or two dealing with golem movement (invoke and some kind of swap-position, iirc) which can help a little, sometimes.

As for builds, the general alchemist build I use is an initial class point into golem power, then the rest into gem bomb until it hits 4/5 and alchemist protection opens up. Then I stuff every class point I get into alchemist protection until that maxes, and then the rest into the third tier bomb talent until that maxes. Usually a point into golem resilience in there somewhere. After that, things get friskier depending on what I'm doing, but that's my basic "get me through old forest" build. Ignoring generic investment, anyway

The big thing is that with maxed out alchie protection and the radius boosting talent, you don't need to invest in dexterity. Literally the other thing points in dex does for an alchie is increase your bomb throw range (at a rate of one per twenty dex, iirc)... and with the maxed radius booster, you hit out to a max of ten anyway, which is enough to get you through pretty much the whole game. Defense wise, constitution is going to get you a lot more bang for your buck than dex (defense in particular is a pretty crappy, well, defensive stat in T4. Especially if you can't stack it pretty high, which alchies can't.). Standard stat spread, f'me at least, is to max out magic, and then alternate between con and willpower, keeping them even. Usually do this until I'm comfortable with my mana pool (not too hard, as alchies don't need terribly much compared to other mana classes) then switch to con/cunning, for the crit boost (which is small, but more helpful than mana I'll never need).

... did you at least do the proper thing and marry its widow table and provide for it and its table children? Not sure how that old proviso works with things without gender, but I guess you can hum a tune and fake it well enough.

Just watch out for splinters, I guess.

Better to just find hot springs and stick yurt over it. Less effort and potential tourism.

Minor chance of being cooked or whatever, I guess, but hot springs worth risk.

Initial attempt at chemical death didn't oust (or at least bury) the fleas in my room. Legs continue to accrue bug bites. After a bit of a nap on the couch, gonna' have to clear up the room a bit and then give it a second go.

If that don't work... games will be stepped up. Maybe fire, maybe just bug bombs. Either way, something. Damn fleas are just tearing m'damned legs to hell. Poor things have like fifteen or twenty bumps/bites/sores per leg from the fucking parasites, and my entire existence is itch from about halfway down from my knee till the top of my foot. It is... distracting.

Quote from: greatorder on August 28, 2012, 01:47:00 pm

uhhh...

sorry, but B12 isn't that large a target audience.

The roguelike community is pretty small too but Gaslamp managed to build a company based on the success of Dredmor.

There can be money in something without it being Skyrim or Gears of War level money.

... small in a more relative than absolute sense, really. T4 alone's been keeping a steady couple hundred people playing just about 'round the clock, and that's just folks that can/bother set(ting) up an online profile. Crawl and nethack tourneys have been getting fairly consistent 100+ attendance. Obviously some overlap with players doing all of the above, but still. The roguelike audience is definitely in the "comfortably (tens of?) thousands" zone, which is a pretty solid financial base, if you can entice them. It's just not in the millions

City building stuff has a similar -- probably slightly larger, I'd guess -- core base. If th'game comes out alright, I doubt they'll have much trouble making a profit. Only major-ish issue I can see is the quad-core et al bits -- from what I've noticed a good chunk of their target audience tends toward older or weaker machines, which might lose them a bit of sales.

Yeah... another "minor expidenture, then invest" fellow. I'd get a decent computer, and maybe fix up my car. Spend a little fixing up the houses the immediate family owns, general maintainence stuff like that. Doubtful it'd eat up more than 100k (probably much less; maybe 20, 30k depending on how home maintainence falls through).

The rest I'd find someone competent to manage, and tell them they get 10-25% of any profit they can get out of it. Ultimate goal would be a series of trust funds, providing basic amenities (sufficient but unimpressive housing, staple but not fancy food, small stipend for clothing, health, and transportation) for my family and their descendants, with the intent of setting up something self-sustaining and having a little mini-socialism-in-perpetuity set up for my blood kin. Fuck the rat race.

A bit would also be set up in a similar perpetual system for the purpose of donations, primarily to education. Most of it would be slated for philosophy programs, especially for lower education and rural areas. Meta-education -- learning to learn, learning to think, learning what forms the basis of other things you learn -- is something that needs some more cash and effort invested in it. Standard bit of scholarships for the poor but capable, of course.