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Inheritance issues, too, as one of the recent posts in one of these threads mentioned.

It's actually kinda' kinda' like gg said -- if we were discriminating like this because of musical preference it'd be goddamn insane and th'UN'd or someone'd be on that like flies on shit. Unfortunately some folks that don't consider homosexuality to be so trivial got a hold of the lawbooks and social norms and did some bullshit they probably could have just not have and left well enough alone.

Now a good chunk of th'population's trying to fix that mistake. Getting better, in starts and stops! Not there yet. Still work to be done.

Right, right, solipsism was like the step before. Memory's kinda' rusty at the moment. Skepticism, particularly the extremely hardcore (/batshit insane) kind, goes for that sort of pseudo-recursion of proof as kind of a silver bullet to everything (when all else fails, call on them to prove their proof, and keep going ). Of course, trying to hold yourself behaviorally to that sort of skepticism is basically impossible (or at least almost utterly non-functional), but yeah. Still, definitely tangent, and fairly minor overall. Bringing it up usually gets a sort of roll of the eyes and a "Yes, yes, and? What exactly do you plan to do with that?" response.

Though it is kinda' interesting, sometimes, to see just how far back you can get. It can be a pretty useful analytic thought experiment, in certain cases.

To prove something positive, it only needs to show that one example.

This depends very heavily on what the positive claim is. All Xs are Ys, ferex, is one of the common ones where that holds very much unture. Indoor ornithology and all that.

So, where do people feel the burden of proof lies? Or, at least, where should it lie?

I personally hold that those professing the exisistance of anything have to produce the proof to back up thier convictions ("I will agree with the as of yet unproven idea if you can show me it is true"). I think it makes less logical sense for proof of the non-existance of something being needed to make a solid point ("I will only stop thinking this unproven idea if you can show to me it is wrong").

That's... not actually controversial, to any meaningful degree. Burden of proof lies on the one making a positive claim, ferex an existence claim. No one with any actual ground -- at all -- seriously expects proof of non-existence. Just proof of existence. That's something that's been pretty well established in the last couple thousand years of logic and epistemological inquiry (of varying sorts). Would take access to material I don't actually have access to at th'mo to pull up the particulars of why that is so, but it's pretty much universally accepted, so far as I know.

What gets (much) trickier is what is accepted as sufficient evidence, what counts as proof. That can vary absolutely tremendously depending on who you're dealing with.

Lol, a Beau is only used for boyfriends, Frumple. J/C is that an old word though, have you been reading Terry Pratchett?

I've been using it interchangeably re: gender for a long while now... shorter than significant other or something like that, and boy/girl friend is too much effort toward identification. I just like a single word that applies to "thing which you're consensually humping (or in a relationship roughly equivalent to people that would be consensually humping)." Makes things easier. Beau works well enough, minor gender confusion regardless It's basically what I default to when I don't feel like typing or saying something longer.

And I've read quite a bit of Prachett, but I'm pretty sure I picked up beau th'first time from something, uh. Well, many years before I read Prachett. Hellen Keller or something like that. Some play mi madre was in when my age was still single digit, iirc.

And throwing in with the general Truean support, heh. I've roomed with a bi fellow and had a friend or two come out of the closet... sexual or gender orientation just stopped really mattering to me a long time ago. I'd probably avoid yeh while the booze was flowin', True, but be happy to hang otherwise.

I dunno. Do you honestly think he's worried about that kinda thing? 'Cause, if so then, I mean as far as I'm concerned that's inconceivable. Have never really thought of touching a girl like that, ever.

Hell, I don't know the guy or his relationship with his beau, so, I have no actual idea if he's worried about something like that, really. Just kinda' throwing it out there.

It's inconceivable from your viewpoint, sure, but from his...? Maybe he knows somethin' more about 'is bed buddy than you're aware of.

It's pretty doubtful, but hey. It's a sexier thought than it just being some variation of homophobia, so I'm a little biased toward it. RK's a little more realistic, the two Hs probably closer to accuracy but... I'll admit. If I can bias my baseless conjecture toward the sexy, it makes my day a bit brighter.

Quote from: kaijyuu on July 23, 2012, 11:23:39 am

Quote from: kaenneth on July 23, 2012, 11:23:06 am

Do you think the Planking fad started with someone saying "I'm Board."?

Now that joke just fell flat.

Loosen up dude.

... wouldn't that be an incredibly painful thing to do with a 2x4?